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Queen backs Camilla as future Queen Consort

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SnottyLottie · 05/02/2022 22:07

news.sky.com/story/queen-reveals-sincere-wish-that-camilla-becomes-queen-consort-when-charles-is-king-in-platinum-jubilee-message-12533906

How do you think this will go down? And will the British public ever accept Camilla as Queen Consort?

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ilovesooty · 07/02/2022 12:09

There seems no reason to me not to call her by the title which would be in keeping with tradition. She is the wife of the future King.

diddl · 07/02/2022 13:28

@Samcro

i like Camila so glad we can't skip them and go to the workshy W&K.
I think that W&K are being allowed to have what neither HMQ or PC could-time with their young family.
Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 14:00

@FloraPotts

I don't like the way this has been done; having the subject introduced by the Queen was quite a deliberate and cynical move imho in order to pre-empt debate or criticism.
This. At the time lots said we were being lied to when we were assured Camilla would never be Queen. Turns out we were right.
Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 14:01

@diddl William and Catherine have on average 1 or 2 engagements a week. About a day's work

smilesy · 07/02/2022 14:36

This.
At the time lots said we were being lied to when we were assured Camilla would never be Queen. Turns out we were right.

I don’t remember that there were ever any assurances that she would never be Queen (in fact she was always going to be Queen as she will be the king’s wife, the question was whether she would be styled as Queen or Princess consort). It was in deference to public opinion after Diana died that it was said that Camilla would be styled Princess but things have moved in since then and she has kept her head down and proved to be an asset to the crown. I think it’s sad that some people still see her in the context of over 20 years ago.

@diddl William and Catherine have on average 1 or 2 engagements a week. About a day's work

This has been done to death on here. The court circulars do not reflect all the work that is done and there are still many other members of the family, including the Queen herself and her own children who carry our many duties and engagements. William is still quite removed from the throne. As pp have said here and elsewhere, maybe he is being allowed to enjoy his relative freedom for as long as possible. Also as has been previously said in relation to this, being a member of the RF is unusual in that the workload increase, rather than decreases as you get older.

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 14:40

@smilesy It absolutely was said that Camilla would never use the title Queen in any form. I don't know how old you are? But I remember that being said very clearly by the palace.

Yes, I know many claim William and Catherine are doing secret work we somehow don't know about. I don't buy it when every phone call and meeting is in the Court Circular.

diddl · 07/02/2022 14:44

I also thought that Camilla would be Queen but not necessarily use the title.

Samcro · 07/02/2022 14:47

sorry I might have got my threads mixed up and it might have been on another thread that skipping was mentioned. so many threads so little time lol.
I actually Like W&K .

SenecaFallsRedux · 07/02/2022 14:50

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@smilesy It absolutely was said that Camilla would never use the title Queen in any form. I don't know how old you are? But I remember that being said very clearly by the palace.

Yes, I know many claim William and Catherine are doing secret work we somehow don't know about. I don't buy it when every phone call and meeting is in the Court Circular.[/quote]
It actually wasn't said that emphatically. It basically said that was their intention at the time. I remember thinking that they (or mainly Charles) was hoping that in time Camilla would be more accepted and that they could change that intention. And that is actually what has happened.

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 14:51

Tatler states clearly the Palaces statement at the time. The Royal Family constantly try and rewrite history and treat us like idiots.

www.tatler.com/article/camilla-parker-bowles-will-not-be-queen

DePfeffoff · 07/02/2022 14:52

smilesy It absolutely was said that Camilla would never use the title Queen in any form. I don't know how old you are? But I remember that being said very clearly by the palace.

I'm quite sure that no-one went around making solemn, absolute and immutable promises. It was a simple, formal announcement that, at that time, that was what the plan was. There is no reason why plans can't change. Nearly 17 years later, we can recognise that fact, and that the marriage has proved itself and Camilla is recognised as having proved herself also. There was no need to say it then, it was purely to keep the Diana idolisers happy, time has moved on and most (though, sadly, not all) of the hysteria around her has died down and people take a more measured view. .I strongly suspect that, if Diana were around now, she wouldn't give a hoot.

smilesy · 07/02/2022 14:53

Yes I am old enough to remember. At the time of their marriage, on 2008 “Royal aides” said she did not want to be Queen, but as I said, I suspect this was because she was being sensitive to public opinion over Diana. Charles always wanted her to be Queen. No one ever said categorically that she would not be styled Queen. Prince Albert, Victoria’s husband also had to work on public opinion to become Prince Consort but he was accepted as such. Why shouldn’t Camilla be?

Also, I am not claiming that W&K do secret work as you put it, but in all probability they do background work on whatever engagements they have which does not involve phone calls and meetings, so will not be in the court circular. I’m sure if you logged a lot of peoples work in terms of what appears on the court circular, they would not appear to be doing a great deal.

DePfeffoff · 07/02/2022 14:55

Tatler also acknowledges that that decision was made "to appease those who bore the couple ill will for their affair, and later, for the death of Diana, Princess of Wales". 17 years later we've mostly grown up a bit.

maddy68 · 07/02/2022 15:02

Of course she should be queen

SenecaFallsRedux · 07/02/2022 15:23

They specifically used the word "intention." Intentions can change, especially when the Queen says that she wants a different intention. Smart way of going about it.

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 17:04

Yeah so it was a sop. All the RF supporters at the time said it was not. I knew it was a lie. They always intended Camilla to be called Queen.

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 17:05

@SenecaFallsRedux

They specifically used the word "intention." Intentions can change, especially when the Queen says that she wants a different intention. Smart way of going about it.
No not a smart way. A lying weaselly way.
diddl · 07/02/2022 17:08

"They always intended Camilla to be called Queen."

I don't know why anyone would ever have thought otherwise.

People must be pretty daft if they thought that there was no chance of it ever happening.

ajandjjmum · 07/02/2022 17:13

@SenecaFallsRedux

They specifically used the word "intention." Intentions can change, especially when the Queen says that she wants a different intention. Smart way of going about it.
The other way of looking at it is that rather than declare she would be Queen regardless, they gave Camilla chance to prove herself, which she has done over the past 20 years. Better than her promising to turn the world on it's axis, and then falling at the first hurdle. I think the way she has developed into the role has surprised a lot of people, including me.

10 years ago I would have been quite upset by this turn of events, now I think it's sort of fair enough.

smilesy · 07/02/2022 17:28

No not a smart way. A lying weaselly way.

Hardly. Most people would be loathe to commit 100% to something in the future when they new there could be variables. As pp said, it gave her (Camilla) the chance to prove herself. If she had not been acceptable to the public (and polls show that she is) then she would have been Princess probably. I’m sure all of us at sometime have re-evaluated a situation and changed our course of action. I think saying it is “lying and weaselly” is more symptomatic of your personal feelings towards the RF, which you are of course entitled to. But they are by no means the only people to leave the door open for change by the words they use. :

Aderyn21 · 07/02/2022 17:37

Wife of the King is the Queen. If the nation accepts the concept of monarchy, then cherry picking to suit public opinion flies on the face of that.

I think we have more important things to worry about tbh - this is a distraction from what we should be kicking off about, such as riding prices and lying politicians treating us like idiots.

JassyRadlett · 07/02/2022 17:56

Wife of the King is the Queen. If the nation accepts the concept of monarchy, then cherry picking to suit public opinion flies on the face of that.

This.

It’s such a weird way of thinking. ‘Oh, I absolutely support the idea of a monarchy, the eldest son/kid of the person before is obviously the right person to come next, what a sensible system, and yes if they’re a bloke their wife is queen, that’s the way we’ve done it for a thousand years, very sensible system, tradition is so important. But not her, she shouldn’t get to be queen, I know she meets all the qualifying criteria of “married to the king” but I don’t like her so that bit of this system entirely rooted in tradition shouldn’t happen.’

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 17:57

Yes, but for an accident of birth we would have King Andrew.

upinaballoon · 07/02/2022 18:02

I am one item of British public and if I'm still alive when Charles becomes king I will accept that Camilla is Queen Consort, rather than Princess Consort. As someone said upthread it won't make any difference to what she does.
I think she will also continue to wear off-white ensembles and look rather good in them. She's making low heels fashionable. Good woman.

Monopolyiscrap · 07/02/2022 18:05

No disrespect, but I don't think anyone is looking to Camilla for fashion tips. She dresses well for her age, but I don't think any of the Royal Family are into fashion. What they wear is more a uniform of sorts.