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Queen backs Camilla as future Queen Consort

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SnottyLottie · 05/02/2022 22:07

news.sky.com/story/queen-reveals-sincere-wish-that-camilla-becomes-queen-consort-when-charles-is-king-in-platinum-jubilee-message-12533906

How do you think this will go down? And will the British public ever accept Camilla as Queen Consort?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2022 22:59

mummykel16 not sure if you're aware that's a blackamoor statue, and what the historical context is here?

Viviennemary · 05/02/2022 23:00

When you think of all the frothing on MN about married men having affairs. And now nearly everybody welcoming Camilla after her adulterous life. Must be ok for would be royals but not for ordinary folk. Hmm

mummykel16 · 05/02/2022 23:03

@Puzzledandpissedoff

mummykel16 not sure if you're aware that's a blackamoor statue, and what the historical context is here?
No I didn't know but have just looked, maybe time to donate to a museum, such a shame .
Devilmakes3 · 05/02/2022 23:03

I think if the queen had a Prince consort in Prince Philip then a Princess consort is what a king should have. Nothing equal about the royal family but this should be.

mummykel16 · 05/02/2022 23:04

Lovely artwork too

NETSRIK · 05/02/2022 23:05

Right decision. She has been amazing for Charles.

NichyNoo · 05/02/2022 23:07

Of course she should be Queen consort - she’ll be married to the king. There’s been much worse consorts over the past thousand years!

Topseyt · 05/02/2022 23:08

I see nothing wrong with the decision. She will be married to the King.

As for those who just witter on about Diana! They should just stop. Diana died many years ago now. The title of Queen Consort was never hers, and as her disastrous marriage to Charles wore on and finally imploded, I'm pretty sure she didn't even want it.

SenecaFallsRedux · 05/02/2022 23:09

@Devilmakes3

I think if the queen had a Prince consort in Prince Philip then a Princess consort is what a king should have. Nothing equal about the royal family but this should be.
No, the fairer thing would be for the husband of a queen regnant to be King Consort.
DePfeffoff · 05/02/2022 23:17

@Viviennemary

When you think of all the frothing on MN about married men having affairs. And now nearly everybody welcoming Camilla after her adulterous life. Must be ok for would be royals but not for ordinary folk. Hmm
How many men would you expect to stay celibate after their divorced wife dies?
FitAt50 · 05/02/2022 23:19

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yet another error of judgement by the Queen IMO - what with Andrew and now this she seems to be developing quite a knack

Surprised, too, that on a (rightly) anti-racist forum there should be such support for someone with Camilla's tastes. I've posted this before, but perhaps she could bring her little hallway decoration with her to Buck House?

I have busts and lamps of white roman men in my house - doesn't make me racist towards Italians? How does that lamp stand make her a racist.
DePfeffoff · 05/02/2022 23:19

Good. I can't see any sensible reason why not, as long as we have a monarchy. I'm glad the queen's taken steps to put an end to any doubt about it, it would have been hideous if people had been wrangling about it after her death.

Thisbastardcomputer · 05/02/2022 23:20

@Viviennemary

I just read this too. No I dont agree with this at all. We were told she wouldn't be Queen. Backpeddling again. Sick of the lot of them tbh.
Exactly this
TheOnlyMrsMac · 05/02/2022 23:29

@mummykel16

I think it's a good idea, things could be much worse, look at who Harry married for goodness sake.
Biscuit
Flickflak · 05/02/2022 23:30

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TheOnlyMrsMac · 05/02/2022 23:30

@mummykel16

Lovely artwork too
Biscuit
BeMoreGoldfish · 05/02/2022 23:32

@DePfeffoff I think you’re missing the point - he wasn’t celibate while she was alive. Or while they were married for that matter. He was shagging Camilla the whole time. You must know that?

SnottyLottie · 05/02/2022 23:36

“No, the fairer thing would be for the husband of a queen regnant to be King Consort”

The title of Prince consort came about because the title of king held a higher position in the British hierarchy than Queen. When we have a Queen, her husband becomes Prince Consort, so her husband isn’t perceived to have more power than the Queen Regnant. This is what happened with Prince Phillip and Albert. Queen Anne’s husband was known as the Duke of Cumberland during his wife’s reign.

However, whilst I feel neutral about this whole situation, I also feel that if the male consort can have a lesser title created for them stemming from 17th and 19th century traditions then a similar title can be created for a new King’s circumstances if it should be needed.

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TheOnlyMrsMac · 05/02/2022 23:39

I have busts and lamps of white roman men in my house - doesn't make me racist towards Italians? How does that lampstand make her a racist?

I can't be bothered to type any actual words to reply to this, so just have another Biscuit

mummykel16 · 06/02/2022 00:41

I'm just glad harry and andrew are well out of it

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/02/2022 00:49

@SnottyLottie

“No, the fairer thing would be for the husband of a queen regnant to be King Consort”

The title of Prince consort came about because the title of king held a higher position in the British hierarchy than Queen. When we have a Queen, her husband becomes Prince Consort, so her husband isn’t perceived to have more power than the Queen Regnant. This is what happened with Prince Phillip and Albert. Queen Anne’s husband was known as the Duke of Cumberland during his wife’s reign.

However, whilst I feel neutral about this whole situation, I also feel that if the male consort can have a lesser title created for them stemming from 17th and 19th century traditions then a similar title can be created for a new King’s circumstances if it should be needed.

There is some precedent in Britain for the husband of a queen regnant to be given the title of king. Philip of Spain, the husband of Mary I of England was named co-ruler when they married and called King of England. He spent most of his time in Spain, though, and never really functioned as a ruler in England. And his title did not survive Mary, who was succeeded by her sister Elizabeth.

Henry, Lord Darnley, the husband of Mary Queen of Scots, was made King Consort of Scotland.

Philip of Spain and William of Orange were co-rulers, but William's title survived his wife's death, unlike Philip's case. Mary II had a superior claim to the throne as the daughter of James II and VII (William was the son of James’s sister), and William's secondary position in the succession was recognized in the settlement which provided that if Mary died first and William remarried, any potential children with a second wife would be after Queen Mary’s sister, Anne, in the succession, thus making her, after Mary's death, the only female Heir Apparent in British history.

One of the reasons for husbands of queens regnant generally not being called King is the historical notion that King is a higher title than Queen. In many European countries where the Salic law prevailed, only men could inherit the throne and so queens in their own right were very rare. And even in countries that allowed women to reign, men took precedence in the succession until very recently (and still do in some).

It's certainly possible with more egalitarian rules about succession, the notion that King is a higher title can change and male consorts can be called King. With more queens regnant on the horizon all over Europe (Sweden, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Spain) and a move to have more equality between the sexes in these matters, we might see the King Consort title revived for the husbands of Queens.

AngelicaElizaAndPeggy · 06/02/2022 00:58

I'm slightly American so I admit that I don't have a genuinely British view of these things.
I'm also conpetleu trashed from having danced to1990s music at my friend's 40tj birthday all night.

But let's be honest - the whole things wank. Call her a queen, or a badger or the royal consort cucumber if you like, it's all fantasicly meaningless to 99% of people. Let's be honest.

Louisianagumbo · 06/02/2022 01:03

@AngelicaElizaAndPeggy

I'm slightly American so I admit that I don't have a genuinely British view of these things. I'm also conpetleu trashed from having danced to1990s music at my friend's 40tj birthday all night.

But let's be honest - the whole things wank. Call her a queen, or a badger or the royal consort cucumber if you like, it's all fantasicly meaningless to 99% of people. Let's be honest.

To 99% of Americans maybe, but not Brits. Maybe you shouldn't post whilst you're so trashed.
AlternativePerspective · 06/02/2022 02:22

I can’t get worked up over what happened in the past. The only reason they didn’t marry in the first place was because of protocol.

And let’s not pretend that Dianna didn’t enjoy being the other woman. Will carling anyone

FloraPotts · 06/02/2022 03:23

I don't like the way this has been done; having the subject introduced by the Queen was quite a deliberate and cynical move imho in order to pre-empt debate or criticism.