Queen backs Camilla as future Queen Consort

[SnottyLottie]

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How do you think this will go down? And will the British public ever accept Camilla as Queen Consort?

Yes Smilesey I shouldn't write posts in the middle of the night I do know what intention means literally! But why say the following:

"Royal aides previously insisted Camilla ‘intended’ to be known instead as Princess Consort when Charles eventually becomes King."

Why choose the word Princess in particular? They could have said she intended to be known as Queen consort but they deliberately did not say that, and we all know why.

And many people obviously now feel that the reasons they said that are no longer valid or necessary but I happen to disagree.

I don’t know but they seem to use “intended” so that things are not set in stone, which would seem a sensible thing to do. They were aware that public opinion at the time was not overwhelmingly in favour of Camilla but they wanted wiggle room which seems sensible to me. She has been accepted by the majority of people now, even if you personally may disagree so they are able to change their course. They know how to play the long game. I see nothing wrong in this. Many businesses and individuals have learnt to their cost that making firm commitments to something which later proves difficult to follow up on can be problematic, or mean that things are no longer to their advantage. Maybe the word “Princess“ was chosen so that she would not be seen to “outrank” Diana, or so that it seemed to be more the equivalent of Prince Philip. They probably didn’t really know what to say at the time as the situation was unprecedented. In history, the Kings wife has always been known as Queen, but it has never been subject to the court of public opinion in quite the same way as on this instance.

I take your point about playing the long game which is the Queen's speciality, but that's what I mean Smilesey, exactly as you say, the King's wife has always been known as Queen throughout history, and frankly us subjects don't have a say, because that's not the way monarchy works, so I found it a bit disingenuous that it was suggested that Camilla could have a lesser title ...when patently that wasn't going to be the case. I think this very issue was discussed at the time if I remember correctly. It just seemed like a bit of a disingenuous 'sop' to me that's all. Yes, technically speaking it was true, but the thinking was obviously "well let's just say that while I am so unpopular to quell the masses, but we know in the long run what will really happen".

I’m not sure they thought of “quelling the masses” as such. I don’t think the monarchy is in quite the position to do that anymore 🤣. I just think they have learned not to tie themselves down to a position that they hope may change. I don’t think it’s disingenuous as such People may not have warmed to Camilla, it was by no means certain, but I’m sure it was hoped they would, so options were left open. I think there’s a lot of over thinking going on around this issue. My biggest problem is I can’t quite get my head around “Queen Camilla”. It sounds odd, but that’s just me being shallow 😂😂

There was some negative press around Camilla being lazy, and being a personal support to Charles but not being particularly involved with the charities/royal visits etc. at the time they married.

Maybe HM shared those concerns, but having seen her work hard and make a place for herself with most of the general public, she is now confident in her becoming Queen Consort.

After all, you can promote someone from Princess to Queen, but it would have been jolly difficult to demote an 'intended' Queen to Princess.

Intended is another weaselly word used by the Royal Family. It does mean we will say whatever will make us popular at the time, but do what we want citing changed circumstances.
Basically if they say intended, they are probably lying to us.

@Monopolyiscrap

Intended is another weaselly word used by the Royal Family. It does mean we will say whatever will make us popular at the time, but do what we want citing changed circumstances. Basically if they say intended, they are probably lying to us.

'Intended' is a word used by the general population for many things. I think you're letting your dislike of the Royal Family (fair enough) take over your logic.

Many people say 'intended' when they cannot be totally confident of an outcome.

I intended to travel to Scotland this weekend, but the illness of a family member means I can't. No lie - just a change in circumstances.

The dictionary definition of intention is aim or plan. Aims and plans can and do change. As I said before, the Queen expressed her firm intention to be at the Remembrance day service. Are you saying she was lying when she said it was her plan to be there? And are you suggesting that she should not have changed her plan even though circumstances changed?

@smilesy

The dictionary definition of intention is aim or plan. Aims and plans can and do change. As I said before, the Queen expressed her firm intention to be at the Remembrance day service. Are you saying she was lying when she said it was her plan to be there? And are you suggesting that she should not have changed her plan even though circumstances changed?

There are different sort of intentions though aren't there?

A genuine intention made in good faith. And one made as part of a PR exercise

And you know whose intentions are made in good faith, and whose are not? Woe betide anyone changing their intentions!

@WatchMyChops

And you know whose intentions are made in good faith, and whose are not? Woe betide anyone changing their intentions!

Of course I don't know for sure in every situation. But in this instance it's pretty evident surely?

Not necessarily. Maybe only if your feelings towards the Royals lean more towards the negative or if you are naturally cynical. I personally think that it is no big deal and that that was what was felt to be appropriate at the time. I don’t feel that the RF are our to hoodwink me. I can’t get worked up about it so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.