Prince Andrew Thread 4

[Roussette]

I'm starting a new one as events seem to be moving again. Sorry I can't do a link to no. 3

@derxa Oh well if other people were friends with Jimmy Saville and Epstein that makes it okay then?

Hardly relevant. And classic deflection. Do I think others have been involved in raping and abusing children and teenagers? Yes. But this thread is about Andrew and the Royal Family. If you want to talk about others, then maybe start another thread.

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@derxa Oh well if other people were friends with Jimmy Saville and Epstein that makes it okay then?

Hardly relevant. And classic deflection. Do I think others have been involved in raping and abusing children and teenagers? Yes. But this thread is about Andrew and the Royal Family. If you want to talk about others, then maybe start another thread.[/quote]
We all know that people employed at the BBC knew that JS was dodgy but did nothing about it. Not that they were 'friends' with him. Are you insinuating that Charles is a paedophile because he associated with JS ? That's a very serious allegation

I am insinuating nothing about Prince Charles except that he was clearly very friendly with Jimmy Saville.
We know that dodgy people will swirl around powerful people. And yet the Royal Family appears to be extremely poor at doing anything about this happening to them.

@Monopolyiscrap

I am insinuating nothing about Prince Charles except that he was clearly very friendly with Jimmy Saville. We know that dodgy people will swirl around powerful people. And yet the Royal Family appears to be extremely poor at doing anything about this happening to them.

I'd agree with you there

@supersop60

I'm only going on what was portrayed in The Crown, but surely there was someone at the Palace who said to PA that it was not a good idea to be friends with JE, especially after he came out of prison???? Or does a life of privilege mean that you have no boundaries, and think you can get away with anything?

Exactly. Why were no serious questions asked when PA was representing the country as a trade representative, liaising with the FO etc? They must have known the people he was associating with.

Derxa all of these associations with Jimmy Saville, Epstein, Guillaine Maxwell, dodgy Saudi billionaires, pedophile bishops, or whoever they are, speaks to a lack of judgement, transparency and probity at the very top of the establishment, whether it's carried out by Charles or Andrew frankly.

I've wondered whether he actually understood the question? He's really bloody stupid so it's possible he couldn't fully compute the words, let alone the intention behind them.

I think he did understand it, but thought his answer was "clever" in that it exonerated him because in his opinion the net result was for the greater good.

For me this whole mess is the result of decades of PA getting away with inappropriate behaviour and exercising poor judgement.

As much as I respect HMQ for her dedication to service, there's no getting around the fact that for whatever reason she allowed PA's activities to go unchecked for a very long time as did the British Govt.

There were multiple allegations about abuses of his power as a Trade Ambassador that were never investigated and the value he brought to that role never measured or questioned.

Bread

You put it so much better than me.

Absolutely. Agree.

@FumingFredericka

Derxa all of these associations with Jimmy Saville, Epstein, Guillaine Maxwell, dodgy Saudi billionaires, pedophile bishops, or whoever they are, speaks to a lack of judgement, transparency and probity at the very top of the establishment, whether it's carried out by Charles or Andrew frankly.

I totally agree with this. And today Cash for Honours investigation by the police involving Prince Charles the Heir.

All they have to do is keep their noses clean, cut a few ribbons and smile nicely at the camera. It is hardly rocket science. And yet they are failing dramatically.

And breaking news... yet another cash for honours.

Here. It's a BBC link

"The Metropolitan Police is to investigate claims Prince Charles' charity offered honours help to a Saudi citizen."

Statement from Met Police 3 hours ago

twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1493912563544997888

The RF are mired in sleaze at the moment.

Yes saw the lunchtime news. Had that story plus Prince Andrew.
Kate's pretty dresses are going to be expected to do a lot of heavy lifting to mend reputational damage.

If he was King he would not have had the freedom that he otherwise had

I see where you're coming from, though bearing in mind the acres of spare time in their diaries I'm not convinced

And on Charles I'm never quite sure why all the attention goes to his friendship with Savile
What about Mountbatten, Laurens van der Post and Peter Ball - and they're just the ones we know about??

Kate's pretty dresses are going to be expected to do a lot of heavy lifting to mend reputational damage

She's night and day piano lessons so I hear

@NativityDreaming

It would be disgusting if he were to be any part of the jubilee celebrations.

I doubt he'll be at anything except the Service of Thanksgiving.

He'll probably also be at the memorial service for Prince Phillip.

I expect he will appear at the larger family occasions, but that'll be it. No-one wants to see him at any public events now

Monopolyiscrap

“Kate's pretty dresses are going to be expected to do a lot of heavy lifting to mend reputational damage.”

Any reason for the sly dig at Catherine ?

Because that's what the RF do. Photo ops when the going gets tough. They always have done. Always will.

Not necessarily Kate. Could be any one of them.

@Monopolyiscrap

I am insinuating nothing about Prince Charles except that he was clearly very friendly with Jimmy Saville. We know that dodgy people will swirl around powerful people. And yet the Royal Family appears to be extremely poor at doing anything about this happening to them.

Andrew and Charles seem to think they're being clever by using useful people, when in fact they're the ones being used.

Lokk at the cash-for-honors mess that Charles is associated with - another scandal.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/16/met-investigating-cash-for-honours-claims-linked-to-princes-foundation

We've discussed on these boards before that this is what happens when the monarch creates a discrepancy between royal lifestyles and her relatives' abilities to fund them.

It will be Kate as she has the highest approval rating outside the Queen.
Not a dig at her at all. A dig at the Royal Family PR who try and distract us from raping sex-trafficked teenagers and cash for honours scandals, by wheeling out a pretty Princess in a nice dress.

And with Kate they can also try and re-ignite the "scandal" of who exactly made who cry. As if it really matters. As if it really is a scandal similar to raping sex-trafficked teenagers or cash for honours scandals.

@Monopolyiscrap

And with Kate they can also try and re-ignite the "scandal" of who exactly made who cry. As if it really matters. As if it really is a scandal similar to raping sex-trafficked teenagers or cash for honours scandals.

Don't be ridiculous

@Roussette

Kate's pretty dresses are going to be expected to do a lot of heavy lifting to mend reputational damage

She's night and day piano lessons so I hear

Ha ha

It's lead story on the BBC News now - cash for honours, and the Andrew settlement and who is really paying for it. One 'expert' described the Duchy of Lancaster as 'The Queen's cash cow' that brings in £200 million a year.

Spinning - It's around £20 million a year not £200 million.

I thought £200m sounded astonishing. I must have misheard.