If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

@TheHairyDinosaur

What is Harry now 6th in line to the throne?

Surely he sits in the same realm of protection as Beatrice and Engine?

This is going to sound harsh, but if he is shot dead, the crown won't be disabled will it.

The crown protects the crown, because it's a business not a family.

Sadly I think he has become a "disposable asset" to them. Not that I agree with this at all, in my opinion it's fair and right that him and his family should receive protection if the threat is heightened to them, provable through intelligence.

But sadly I think the way the crown sees him is "he was born the spare, there is no need for the spare now with Williams line of succession in place.

It's just a sad state of affairs all round isn't it.

Pretty horrible to call a human being a disposable asset. Did you think the same about Princess Diana?

@ancientgran

If they are stay at Buckingham Palace or Windsor won't they just be protected like everyone else there? They aren't going to be in the local Travelodge are they. If you've got armed police there they aren't going to swarm round William and watch Harry get shot are they. It seems weird to me.

I thought this too… couldn’t Charles pick them up from the airport and whisk them back to Windsor?

I appreciate the rebuffing of all the vile. I wish I hadn't opened the thread, it makes me want to puke. The sheer amount of irrational hatred, we are f**d, aren't we; with these people as our compatriots, we will never have any good normal society

Not that I agree with this at all" was literally my next sentence.

@Pawprintpaper I am not sure that was ever offered as an option to them.

I don't care if Harry and Meghan come to the UK. But I do not want them to be murdered. I do not want more children to grow up without one or both parents.
And I would have thought the Queen would want to meet Lillibet. But maybe she doesn't care?

Maybe not after all the moaning about dad cutting his money off

@Pawprintpaper maybe not. I do remember Charles publicly criticising the Queen as a mother though.
Honestly, they are such a dysfunctional family.

@AllThePogs Did you think the same about Princess Diana? Was Lady Diana's security taken away against her will? I thought she had refused official security after the divorce.

@AllThePogs

I don't care if Harry and Meghan come to the UK. But I do not want them to be murdered. I do not want more children to grow up without one or both parents. And I would have thought the Queen would want to meet Lillibet. But maybe she doesn't care?

Nobody wants that, I don't and I certainly do hope no others do. It would be horrific and a tragedy.

Regarding your last sentence And I would have thought the Queen would want to meet Lillibet. But maybe she doesn't care?

They are such a dysfunctional family. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't. Even with Archie I think she only met him once or twice, same for many of the extended great grandchildren.

I don't think they "behave" like a "normal" family. I just don't see it. I mean they need to make appointments don't they to actually see her and these can be declined by staff.

I’m another one who is torn, I can see why he’s worried, but also understand that you can’t hire the police force for money (for so many good reasons). I think there is an understandable fear about photographers pursuing them and what happened to diana. I wonder if they were on better terms with the family something could have been worked out. I do think taking the british government to court makes them seem entitled and somewhat tone deaf though - when emergency services available to a member of the public in trouble are cut to the bone at the moment (police not able to attend violent robberies and 8 hours for an ambulance). It makes you feel like saying - “just don’t come then” rather than rolling out the red carpet.

@Tezza1 I was asking if you saw Diana as a disposable asset as well?

@TheHairyDinosaur Yes, you are probably right. I remember I was surprised to find out that the Queen hasn't attended many christenings of her grandchildren. She does not seem an involved grandmother at all.

@AllThePogs I do apologise: I thought you were comparing Harry and Lady Diana's situations in regards to royal protection - meaning that neither was allowed to have police/Royal protection officers.

I don't see anybody as a disposable asset.

DM says
^Harry, Meghan and their family would automatically be protected by royal security if they were to visit the Queen or were in residence at their Frogmore home, which is on the Queen’s private Windsor Estate.

The issue would be if they wanted to undertake potentially lucrative private business, charitable or social activities elsewhere.^

when emergency services available to a member of the public in trouble are cut to the bone at the moment (police not able to attend violent robberies and 8 hours for an ambulance). It makes you feel like saying - “just don’t come then” rather than rolling out the red carpet

Maybe they don't really get how stretched things are here, and maybe Harry is unaccustomed to thinking of the public services here as a finite group which have to be allocated carefully by need, not by the feelings of one of the many high-profile people who do not qualify by rank/occupation.

@mpsw

when emergency services available to a member of the public in trouble are cut to the bone at the moment (police not able to attend violent robberies and 8 hours for an ambulance). It makes you feel like saying - “just don’t come then” rather than rolling out the red carpet

Maybe they don't really get how stretched things are here, and maybe Harry is unaccustomed to thinking of the public services here as a finite group which have to be allocated carefully by need, not by the feelings of one of the many high-profile people who do not qualify by rank/occupation.

@mpsw

Exactly. Ironically for someone who has delivered sanctimonious rants about privilege, he doesn't seem to realise that he's the embodiment of it.

@lightand

DM says ^Harry, Meghan and their family would automatically be protected by royal security if they were to visit the Queen or were in residence at their Frogmore home, which is on the Queen’s private Windsor Estate.

The issue would be if they wanted to undertake potentially lucrative private business, charitable or social activities elsewhere.^

It does make you wonder if they plan to do another high profile “tour” like in NY. In which case it’s more than just body guards, a lot of police planning - bomb searches and background checks of all attendees for all events will need to happen. I think it’s reasonable for the U.K. to say no to this if they are not working royals.

There's an article in The Telegraph today which includes

"Home Office sources said they did not recognise Prince Harry’s characterisation of the disagreement over his security arrangements"

I believe the protection and intelligence should have been quietly provided without Harry needing to kick up a stink

@UserBot314159

Think he's over estimating the amount of danger he's in. He's left the RF so if somebody is going to kidnap a member of the rf, don't think it'd be him or his DC, doesn't make sense.

He hasn't left the RF, just given up his duties and is not a working member

He is still a rich man and the beloved grandson of an immensely wealthy woman who is also Head of State (and in whose prisons are some very dangerous and well-connected people). Clearly he would be a kidnapping target.

I think there are richer pickings tbh. Also, they're known to be not that rich!

If he goes to a royal event, security is covered. It's just getting there.

It shows the mindset, he has been raised to only feel safe when there are security officers around.

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