If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

@JogooRoad

I get that it is not feasible for the police to find officers for a couple of weeks here and there.

Is it the case Harry is offering to pay for full-time officers (all year around) - e.g. even when he is not in the UK he is responsible for their full cost? Is he effectively offering to meet the full cost of his previous detail but agreeing that he will only use them as and when he is in the UK?

Opens a can of worms though. As surely we will see other minor royals wanting to do the same.

I have always wondered what it must be like to grow up and live without the usual fears and stresses of ordinary people. He will have never walked down the street at night with a set of keys in his hand looking into the shadows. Never had to get into a taxi and wonder about the man driving.

Let's face it Harry's fears are pretty abstract.

I know he's rich but that is one hell of a commitment.

@stupendousfragmentariness

I can imagine it would be hard for him to be in California

It's so cold and so damp.

That's why the lady is... nevermind

Sorry, @ancientgran, I was quoting from Sinatra's The Lady Is A Tramp.

You'd think at my age I might know Sinatra but I never liked him. Don't know why, he just me the creeps. Sorry I missed it, there's always one isn't there.

You're probably just a good judge of character, given what later surfaced about his mafia links!

Possibly, but I loved The Godfather. Does that make my judgement a bit dodgy?

Nah, it's possibly the greatest film of all time. Did you see it's getting a cinematic rerelease in February?! I hope to go at least once.

Oh I didn't know that. I had a young baby when it was first released, no streaming or videos back then so I read the book. So happy when I eventually got to see it. I don't go to the cinema very often but I'm getting some free tickets in February through my bank account so I know what I will be going to see.

Thanks for the info, brightened up my morning.

Maybe they have the option of staying at the Clooney's during their visit to the UK, they are good friends.

Amal and their kids must have some serious protection considering the clients she represents and the governments / organisations she goes after.

I imagine Prince Harry's risk would be small fry in comparison to her risk.

Borrowing their home and using the same level of private security they use, would give them a pretty high level of protection, I would guess..

A report came out today that tracked a coordinated negative campaign against Meghan. Apparently 70% of the social media posts came from 83 accounts. The report found the coordinated campaign began in 2018 - before the wedding and disproves the allegation the hate was a result of specific actions and I fed because it has been extremely profitable for the trolls and the daily fail.

botsentinel.com/newsroom/reports

Interesting report - seems to all link back to Samantha Markle

That should make them both feel better, shouldn't it? They've said that the hate posts were fuelled by racism. If 70% of them weren't, there are obviously a lot fewer racists than they thought. Mind you, there's also 70% less people interested in them too.

Just a bit of speculation here, if Harry gets a good outcome at judicial review makes me wonder if theres some sort of plan to live part time in the UK. His security amounts to millions and with the upkeep of the mansion which its rumoured there not keen on, even with Harry's money the pot must be draining fast....so living part time in the UK would possibly offset that massive cost though they would have to maintain two properties. T hough both properties would be more of an investment - they could always let the unoccupied property on air bnb

Surely it would make no diference if he is paying for security here too??

They've said that the hate posts were fuelled by racism

They obviously are. Nowhere does it say not.

Not sure why everyone is downplaying the racism and threat of Harry. Now roping in the likes of Amal, were there Neo-nazis arrested for treating her? I never heard of it.

Infact, I don't even know anyone who has had 4 terrorist arrested for treating them, so I wonder how the Met came to the conclusion that Harry does not have a threat. He is not in the UK most of the time, do they just want him to get here, something happens, then they say 'oh there is a threat'. I just don't get it.

People say, but he went to America. If Harry had stayed in Frogmore, he would not have had security. Not for himself. I imagine that in terms of distribution of work, officers may pass around Frogmore as part of looking after Windsor, but they would not be looking after the residents of Frogmore. For sure, every time he stepped out of there, he would not have been protected.

I reckon its all part of a bigger plan to spend more time in the UK. And muscle in on royal events. He needs to do this if he is to be of any interest to his commercial backers.

People say, but he went to America. If Harry had stayed in Frogmore, he would not have had security. Not for himself. I imagine that in terms of distribution of work, officers may pass around Frogmore as part of looking after Windsor, but they would not be looking after the residents of Frogmore. For sure, every time he stepped out of there, he would not have been protected.

Much like other members of the family who get protection through living in royal residences, and protection when carrying out a royal engagement, but otherwise they don’t. If Harry had stayed here but stepped back from royal duties, then presumably he would have been treated the same as the Queens other grandchildren like Zara. As has been stated umpteen times, the neo nazis are in jail. If there was another credible threat to them, then extra protection would be provided. Just because Harry feels he is under constant threat doesn’t mean he actually is. Special Protection works with limited resources and are not there just to make someone feel better, even if they can pay for them. Full security was provided for PP’s funeral as this was deemed to be a potential target for terrorists. It was not provided for the statue unveiling and Harry was then harassed by some journalists after he left. Being harassed by journalists does not make you unsafe, even if it is annoying and despite what happened to his mother. If Diana had taken Special Protection instead of AlFayed’s security, she would not have been in a car with no seat belt and a drunk driver. The paps following her car would not have caused a competent driver to crash. But this has all been said before.

@Viviennemary

I reckon its all part of a bigger plan to spend more time in the UK. And muscle in on royal events. He needs to do this if he is to be of any interest to his commercial backers.

My understanding is that H&M want to attend several events relevant to their own agenda and not just royal events They are asking for protection for these non royal events This is, of course, just my take on it

And muscle in on royal events

I doubt it. That's a bit of a stretch, given how the MSM treat him if they catch even a glimpse of him or her. I would think he'd be avoiding that at all costs!

As has been stated umpteen times, the neo nazis are in jail. If there was another credible threat to them, then extra protection would be provided.
One terrorist was arrested, then another 2 appeared. They got arrested, then another one appeared. In the meantime an anthrax threat was sent. I don't see why you think ' they are in jail' is the end of the matter. It obviously was not when the first one went to jail, and continued not to be when the other 2 went to jail. To top it off, two of them are sons of the leaders.

Being harassed by journalists does not make you unsafe, even if it is annoying and despite what happened to his mother
As I said before on this thread, Harry did not specify what his threat was. The reporters assumed that paparazzi chase what he was referring to. We have no knowledge of the ins and outs of the threat.

As I said before on this thread, Harry did not specify what his threat was. The reporters assumed that paparazzi chase what he was referring to. We have no knowledge of the ins and outs of the threat

But if Harry is complaining that his team has no access to intelligence about threats, then how would he have known about any threat apart from the obvious paps? If the security forces assess that the there is no specific threat then there is no specific threat. Dramming up the situation doesn’t make it worse than it is.
As for the neo nazis being in jail, I mention that as they are always trotted out as the reason Harry needs security. If they are being arrested, then surely that proves that the job of stopping threats is being done and so why would they need more security?

Meant to add that it is interesting that the file for a judicial review was entered in September, after the run in with the paps on the way to the airport, and not in April after the funeral. This would lead me to suspect that it was the incident with the paps that sparked this desire for security. I have no proof of course, but it would seem logical 🤷‍♀️

If they are being arrested, then surely that proves that the job of stopping threats is being done and so why would they need more security?

Dear oh dear. Do you honestly think that the neo nazis that were arrested are the only ones in the world?

if Harry is complaining that his team has no access to intelligence about threats, then how would he have known about any threat apart from the obvious paps?

A valid point which hadn't occurred to me - unless someone has threatened him personally, I guess, in which case I'd have expected him to say so
Apart from the nazis, the closest I've seen is some claim about intruders on their property, though I'm not aware if there's anything officially on record about this?

It might almost be thought Harry and his supporters are making this into something it's not just to get his way, which wouldn't be the first time a member of his family had done the same