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If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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PostingForTheFirstTime · 16/01/2022 11:49

...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

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smilesy · 20/01/2022 13:21

Dear oh dear. Do you honestly think that the neo nazis that were arrested are the only ones in the world?

No of course not, Roussette. That is why I said about there being intelligence specific to Harry and his family. I’m sure there are lots of neo Nazis and other fringe nutters, but I doubt they are all out to get Harry. He’s not that important to the whole neo Nazi community.

rubicscubicle · 20/01/2022 13:26

unless someone has threatened him personally, I guess, in which case I'd have expected him to say so

Why would he say so. It's a security issue. He is not obliged to state the details.

but I doubt they are all out to get Harry. He’s not that important to the whole neo Nazi community.
Important enough to send 4 of them (that we know of and got arrested), and high enough to be the leaders children too.

Roussette · 20/01/2022 13:29

I don't think 'they are all out to get Harry'. Of course not.

How do you know what the Neo Nazi community think? They've written some pretty awful stuff like Meghan and her 'impure blood' tainting the RF, calling Harry a 'race traitor', and the fact one of the Neo nazis jailed for 18 months for inciting terror attacks on them has already been released. These are fascist extremists who will grab any opportunity.
It's not about 'being important' to them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2022 13:33

Why would he say so. It's a security issue. He is not obliged to state the details

You're right, he's not, but considering all the other deeply personal details he's seen fit to share I'd be surprised if it wasn't mentioned - especially if it added a bit of clout to his requests and created yet another story to keep their profile up

Roussette · 20/01/2022 13:37

I doubt he would be at liberty to share details. He didn't with the neo nazi threat before, and that was real and there, as arrests prove. Surely the Police/intelligence would want to keep a lid on it if there were anything along those lines.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2022 13:43

Yes, that would make a certain amount of sense, Roussette
But then I'd have said the same about the alleged intruders at the house, etc, and it didn't stop H&M letting it be known

At the end of the day we'll simply never know the truth of so much of this since all we have to go on is the word of those involved - which sadly has been shown to be not always reliable

smilesy · 20/01/2022 13:46

They write lots of things about lots of people. Doesn’t mean they will all jump up and do something about it. As I say, the security services have managed to stop any credible threats. Maybe the most logical explanation is the simplest one. Harry doesn’t like the paps. Most conspiracy theories, for example, don’t stand up to close scrutiny because they are over complicated.

smilesy · 20/01/2022 13:47

Sorry that was to Roussette about the neo Nazis

Roussette · 20/01/2022 13:55

Not sure where conspiracy theories come into it?!

All I know is.. he feels there is a threat, he might know there is a threat, others have said there could well be threats against them, even Royal commentator Fitzwiliams who is no fan of his, has said he undoubtedly needs police protection when he comes over to UK because of the history and his position.

Yet here we are... detractors of the couple say... nah, no threat, move on, it's just him and the paps or him seeking publicity etc. If it was anyone else but H&M, the posts would be very different.

rubicscubicle · 20/01/2022 13:56

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yes, that would make a certain amount of sense, Roussette But then I'd have said the same about the alleged intruders at the house, etc, and it didn't stop H&M letting it be known

At the end of the day we'll simply never know the truth of so much of this since all we have to go on is the word of those involved - which sadly has been shown to be not always reliable

There was never any statement from H&M's office about the intruders in the house. The press even mentioned the neighbours and the police themselves. Seems like a story that they picked up, but not an announcement from H&M.

H&M have never divulged any details about threats, never ever spoke about the Nazis who were arrested, nor the about the anthrax, nothing. Infact, for the whole interview, they never went into security details. Even when they put out the statement about security after Sandringham, they specifically state they cannot go into details as it's security.

smilesy · 20/01/2022 14:00

Not sure where conspiracy theories come into it?!

I said “for example”, Roussette. I was just using them to illustrate something far fetched and over complicated. I want suggesting there are any at play here.

Chilledchablis1 · 20/01/2022 14:01

But if he stays in a Royal residence , he will have Met protection . If he attends ( eg Platinum Jubilee events) he will have Met protection .
In other words he will have the same level of security afforded to his cousins .
If, on the other hand, he wants Met security to attend private events/ business meetings then no.

rubicscubicle · 20/01/2022 14:02

Seems rather random to mention conspiracy theories on a cases that went to court and people were jailed.

rubicscubicle · 20/01/2022 14:03

@Chilledchablis1

But if he stays in a Royal residence , he will have Met protection . If he attends ( eg Platinum Jubilee events) he will have Met protection . In other words he will have the same level of security afforded to his cousins . If, on the other hand, he wants Met security to attend private events/ business meetings then no.
Or maybe he wants them to go to WellChild etc. which he went to last time.
smilesy · 20/01/2022 14:05

Seems rather random to mention conspiracy theories on a cases that went to court and people were jailed

See my post above.

ancientgran · 20/01/2022 14:08

At the height of the troubles in N.Ireland I had my first son. I'm Catholic my GF was Protestant and ex RUC and lived in a strongly Orange area. I always had some hassle when visiting him when I was a child, not from him. I bought tickets and planned to take baby to meet him but as time passed I realised I couldn't risk it. Sometimes we just have to make a decision about what is more important.

ChiefInspectorParker · 20/01/2022 16:06

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2022 16:12

There was never any statement from H&M's office about the intruders in the house

You could be right, rubics; having checked that I see the story seems to have started with the ghastly TMZ, and though they got the story from somewhere (even if it was the bottom of a whisky bottle) it doesn't necessarily follow that it came from H&M

Roussette · 20/01/2022 16:29

Hmmm... not sure I agree Chief there are many posts on here discounting any threat and talking about it just Harry and the paps. Anyone who had threatened them has been arrested, end of story.

So if he brought over his own security team (unarmed) or hired one over here (unarmed) what does he do if there is a threat and would the security team he hired be informed anyway?

I'm sorry, I just find it ludicrous that previous PMs and former NI Secretaries have police protection but the grandson of the Queen doesn't.
And you can bet your bottom dollar, ditto for Andrew.

I would imagine that the eldest Wessex child has protection if she were ever to go out on her own. The younger one I believe is only 14.

mpsw · 20/01/2022 16:38

So if he brought over his own security team (unarmed) or hired one over here (unarmed) what does he do if there is a threat and would the security team he hired be informed anyway?

They would carry it close protection duties in the same way that the teams of other VVIPs, oligarchs etc do so.

And yes, as I have posted many times threat assessments are routinely shared with the targets of that threat or their security representatives. Further police action may follow, depending on the nature and severity of the threat.

smilesy · 20/01/2022 16:39

Hmmm... not sure I agree Chief there are many posts on here discounting any threat and talking about it just Harry and the paps. Anyone who had threatened them has been arrested, end of story.

If that is referring to some of my posts, Roussette, you will see that I have said that if there was any credible current threat I would want to see him protected and that should be forthcoming. I’m sure no one wants any ham to come to him or his family. I certainly don’t. But as I have said, believing you are in danger and actually being in danger as per a security assessment. Maybe former PM’s and the like have credible current threats against them and therefore have security. I don’t know.

smilesy · 20/01/2022 16:44

Oops “believing you are in danger and actually being in danger… are two different things” that should say

Roussette · 20/01/2022 16:44

smilesy I'm referring to any posts since this first came up with Harry's statement and a full thread. What you have said here was said by others too!
Honest guv!

mpsw I'm guessing you're involved with security forces? That's good to know.
I read different elsewhere... that the intel wouldn't be shared, don't ask me where I read it, I read too much!

rubicscubicle · 20/01/2022 17:14

Maybe former PM’s and the like have credible current threats against them and therefore have security. I don’t know.

They have all round 24/7 security. Are you saying you believe that they have 24/7 threats,( but you don't believe that Harry has any currently or when he comes over here)

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2022 19:00

as I have posted many times threat assessments are routinely shared with the targets of that threat or their security representatives

But if this is so, the thing about Harry's staff lacking access to the information makes no sense - unless his security staff were a bunch of underworld grunts who couldn't be trusted with it, and that's hardly likely

So if when with the RF he'd come under their protection, and "alone" with his own protection they'd be briefed anyway, what exactly is the problem supposed to be?