If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

@cherryonthecakes. Well, I wish they’d just stick to the other side of the pond!

I live in the US and there are plenty of problems here! I know Meghan voiced her opinion on the paid maternity leave issue, which was positive. Not that it made any difference, because they’re not especially “relevant” here. 😂

[quote Cameleongirl]@cherryonthecakes. Well, I wish they’d just stick to the other side of the pond!

I live in the US and there are plenty of problems here! I know Meghan voiced her opinion on the paid maternity leave issue, which was positive. Not that it made any difference, because they’re not especially “relevant” here. 😂[/quote]
Not very royal to comment on political matters but I guess they are only sort-of-royals right now so they can genuinely do whatever.

@cherryonthecakes. I think the problem is that he can’t just flit in and out of public royal events as he pleases. He’s either part of The Firm or he isn’t. And he’s chosen not to be.

Blair pays for it. That surprises me, I thought all ex PMs got protection they didn't have to pay for, maybe I'm thinking of US Presidents.

@cherryonthecakes. Of course Meghan can comment on whatever she likes here in the US, she’s American, free speech and all that .
Doesn’t mean anyone will listen-although millions agreed with her on that particular issue.

@Cameleongirl

Well then the RF need to stop inviting him. Stop leaking to the tabloids that he might be coming etc. Just put out a blanket stament stating that no non working member of the RF will ever attend official events. That covers Sussex and the Yorks, the Middleton in laws. Nice and tidy. We can focus on those we are paying for.

[quote Cameleongirl]@cherryonthecakes. I think the problem is that he can’t just flit in and out of public royal events as he pleases. He’s either part of The Firm or he isn’t. And he’s chosen not to be.[/quote]
True.
I am no fan of theirs but I'd like to think that there must be good sides that we just don't see. I've obviously listened to years of pr that Harry is the friendly and sociable one despite current events suggesting otherwise but I'd like there to be a shred of truth to it.

@Roussette

The OW interview alone guaranteed guaranteed them fame in the UK (and beyond) for years. Add to that the public trashing of family members, constant litigation etc. It's a strategy more akin to reality stars fighting to stay in the limelight, rather than people desperate to live life as "private individuals".

Re "the headlines":

They're not on the front page of the Mail, The Times, The Guardian, The Metro, The Telegraph. They share space on The Mirror with Robbie Williams, who hasn't had a no 1 in what, twenty years? The Sun features them alongside Peter Seabrook.

It's hardly peak Beatlemania. In their position, if I truly didn't want to be on front pages, I wouldn't seek out sensationalist interviews with Oprah Winfrey.

@cherryonthecakes. I have nothing against them, I hope they thrive and do well here in the US. I just don’t understand why they’re always in the tabloids.

@Roussette

ancientgran

They're happy to pay this for Andrew... STILL.

Does he have 4 officers round the clock? Plus he is here all the time isn't he so it isn't paying £1m on the off chance. I think it is a whole different issue really but I don't understand why it always comes down to Andrew/Beatrice/Eugenie.

If you read the full guidance rather than a snapshot it looks like the only police you can pay for are general PC's, British Transport Police and Immigration, HMP Officers
Not Royal Protection Officers

Oh blast, I see what you mean having read the full thing

Maybe the review will sort it out then - though being in the UK I'll be surprised if it doesn't go the palace's way - but in the meantime it's all a bit more profile-reminding for Harry, which all too often seems to be his priority

@ancientgran

Blair pays for it. That surprises me, I thought all ex PMs got protection they didn't have to pay for, maybe I'm thinking of US Presidents.

They have an allowance (£115k) which is supposed to be just for work related stuff like public speaking. He pays back the taxpayer for protection costs when he takes leisure trips.

Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara & Peter DO NOT get protection officers unless on a working royal duty.

Same for Harry. Unless he is working solely for Royal Family function as a working member of the royal family -he pays for his own protection.

Same as Beyoncé or any other famous person in the UK. They all manage as does Zara, Peter, Eugenie and Beatrice -none of them are walking around with Met officers on a day to day basis -why does he think he is different??

[quote Cameleongirl]@rubicscubicle. I suppose I don’t really understand why this security issue was ever raised by Harry’s team. Why doesn’t he and and his family just quietly make private visits to the Queen and forget about doing anything else like the Jubilee celebrations or charitable events ?
They don’t want to be part of the RF’s hoopla- yes, they experienced threats over two years ago when they lived in the UK as working royals, but why would they now if they just visit family privately? Their lives are in the US, they don’t need to participate in any public events in the UK.[/quote]
My guess is that this is all to ensure cover for Lily and Archie more than anything.

Currently it means if they come to the UK, they are not covered by security to see friends and relatives. They are stuck in the palace under that protection. It does not sound like an unreasonable request to me. They have family and friends here, so I really don't see why people insist that they should be stuck in the US (even for immigration family and friends being in a certain location is taken into consideration, this is viewed as something important, not sure why for Harry it is not). People move countries for different reasons, some for jobs etc. no one thinks they should never see their family and friends because of this. So quite odd that is applied to Harry and his children.

As I had said, the terrorist don't care if they live here or not, they have their own agenda and will take an opportunity as it presents itself.

I am surprised by the responses that some think, a threat should be imposed on little Archie and baby Lili and that the police could somehow act after.

[quote Cameleongirl]@cherryonthecakes. I have nothing against them, I hope they thrive and do well here in the US. I just don’t understand why they’re always in the tabloids.[/quote]
Because people click on the articles and chat about it online.

dontsay Are you saying there's headlines about the OW interview that was nearly a year ago.... today?

No. It's you that's talking about it on here.
Don't understand your Beatlemania and Robbie Williams comments, sorry.

I thought all ex PMs got protection

I used to work for the Government and that was always my understanding. The attached appears to confirm it.

Does he have 4 officers round the clock?

1. Round the clock

I was in a London park one day and I was fascinated watching the protection people who were very clearly guarding 2 young Arab children. The woman who was with them, a nanny perhaps, was pretty well ignored but the 3 guards had a set pattern and as the children played getting closer together or further apart the guards took up different positions. It was two men and one woman, watching them it looked like one man stayed close to the little boy, the woman stayed close to the little girl and the 2nd man adjusted his position depending where the others were. The secondman was also talking on a mobile phone. I was quite mesmerised watching them.

I had a friend who worked at a very very exclusive school and she said she had a bodyguard sat at the door of her classroom for one child, she never knew the child's name as they used a different name each term. Someone took a photograph one day and the bodyguard just walked up, took the camera and removed the film, in the days when you had film rather than digital. I wonder what they'd do now, smash the phone?

Imagine growing up like that.

I have known of families who have security to accompany the dog walker while they walk the family dog.

[quote Cameleongirl]@cherryonthecakes. I have nothing against them, I hope they thrive and do well here in the US. I just don’t understand why they’re always in the tabloids.[/quote]
People come and go in public interest. When I was young it was always about Princess Margaret and still a bit about the Duke of Windsor even when he was dead and how the Queen Mother hated Wallis. How nice Prince Charles was to her, was the Duke a nazi sympathiser and no doubt loads I don't even remember.

I daresay another royal will take Harry's place at some point. It would probably be positive for him and he could get on with things he wants to do without people being so intrusive.

I expect that the deal is if doing a 'working function' there is no talking to the press, no private videos and documenting for Netflix etc -and Harry wants Netflix or his crew taking footage and the RF aren't having it at events. If I was his brother I wouldn't be saying or talking to him in case it all got taken to the press. He as burnt his boats. All or nothing.

Military wise -how many service men and women does the UK have and he has left now -why should that mean he gets any RP officers?

I don't get it. He is really deluded as to how much every one wants him back over here! Come visit family and do it on the low down -and believe me he can -private jet and helicopter to Balmoral -if he wanted. He wants a fanfare.

@LondonWolf

I was in a London park one day and I was fascinated watching the protection people who were very clearly guarding 2 young Arab children. The woman who was with them, a nanny perhaps, was pretty well ignored but the 3 guards had a set pattern and as the children played getting closer together or further apart the guards took up different positions. It was two men and one woman, watching them it looked like one man stayed close to the little boy, the woman stayed close to the little girl and the 2nd man adjusted his position depending where the others were. The secondman was also talking on a mobile phone. I was quite mesmerised watching them.

I had a friend who worked at a very very exclusive school and she said she had a bodyguard sat at the door of her classroom for one child, she never knew the child's name as they used a different name each term. Someone took a photograph one day and the bodyguard just walked up, took the camera and removed the film, in the days when you had film rather than digital. I wonder what they'd do now, smash the phone?

Imagine growing up like that.

I have known of families who have security to accompany the dog walker while they walk the family dog.

Well dognapping is a thing isn't it. I bet you could get a nice ransom for the family pet.

@Roussette

Personally (and this will not go down well) they should just allow it... it will be so infrequent anyway, maybe a trip back to an airport, or whatever.... To me (again an unpopular view to some) it just sounds petty.

I suspect that somewhere between Section 21 we have been quoting (which is for public events it seems) and private wedding protection, there is a middle ground. I have not gone through all the protection legalities, but so far, H&M do not make legal moves without researching them first and making sure they have a strong case.

Between royal security being offered to non-royal public (Pippa), paid for (Camilla) and private weddings that should be toned down (Kate Moss), in all likelihood Harry will win.

@ancientgran I guess he'll be hoping for Lady Louise to go crazy and replace him on the front pages 😂
I was trying to think about who dominated the tabloid front pages over the years- I'm thinking Kardashians, Britney, Jordan... Getting older seems to be the key to being demoted to inside the paper.

@Roussette

Does he have 4 officers round the clock?

1. Round the clock

Do you mean 3 officers doing 8 hrs each or he has 3 with him 24 hrs a day so 3 on each shift making 9 officers in total? I do remember royals visiting my force and other than the Queen they only ever seemed to have one with them.