If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

Well dognapping is a thing isn't it. I bet you could get a nice ransom for the family pet.

I know. I seem remember Lady GaGa's dog walker getting shot in LA and I think one or two of her dogs were taken. She got them back though I think. Poor dog walker though :(

@ANameChangeAgain

Our police service are not there for his private use. This is what private security is for. He doesn't work for this country by choice, so he need to dig into his own enormous pockets to fund security for his family. He is a celebrity now, not a working royal.

He was born into the RG, he IS a prince, by birth, not choice.

He is happy to pay for it (but he shouldn't have to) but he needs people who have access to intelligence & the authority to involve police etc if necessary, so he can't just bring his US security here, he did that before, but they can't be armed & they don't have any authority here.

His Grandmother is 96, she will have been on the throne for 70 years. Why shouldn't he be allowed to come & be given the security his family requires, given he was born into it??

Yes, they have family issues, but most families do,💁🏻‍♀️

[quote cherryonthecakes]@ancientgran I guess he'll be hoping for Lady Louise to go crazy and replace him on the front pages 😂
I was trying to think about who dominated the tabloid front pages over the years- I'm thinking Kardashians, Britney, Jordan... Getting older seems to be the key to being demoted to inside the paper.[/quote]
Getting older is the answer to everything, no one cares what you are up to. It really does have its upsides, the arthritis isn't fun but then some very young people get that so I think I have to say it's been positive so far.

@LondonWolf

Well dognapping is a thing isn't it. I bet you could get a nice ransom for the family pet.

I know. I seem remember Lady GaGa's dog walker getting shot in LA and I think one or two of her dogs were taken. She got them back though I think. Poor dog walker though :(

That's awful, I hope it wasn't fatal. You wouldn't really expect to need danger money to walk a dog would you, or even two.

,pso he can't just bring his US security here, he did that before, but they can't be armed & they don't have any authority here

Well he can, but they would find it challenging, being complete unfamiliar with the country. He would be better off hiring bringing one US team leader, then hiring a team here. He has the connections to get an extremely good team.

They will get threat assessments from the UK authorities, and would get police reinforcements if the threat assessment merited it (not as a blanket default, but when there is need)

If that's not enough, then he is right to decide not to come

@Roussette

No, I'm saying that the attention generated by the OW interview was likely to guarantee that they'd remain in the limelight for years. It was the worst possible thing that two people who wanted to live as "private individuals" could have done - a breathlessly hyped and promoted, sensationalist interview with one of the most famous women in the US.

You do realise that, for example, a singer's fame doesn't end the second they stop promoting an album?

They could have moved to rural Montana and never said another word, and the tabloids would have still referred no doubt to what they'd christen 'THAT' interview. Add the pity party interviews, trashing of family and constant litigation, and it's actually a brilliant strategy for remaining in the limelight and generating content.

It doesn't take much to get in tabloids. Robbie Williams hasn't had a no.1 in two decades and still gets features on the front page. Some of the others featured on the front pages of tabloids today, I'd never heard of.

The level of attention on them is nothing unusual. It's not comparable to peak Beatlemania.

@rubicscubicle. We’ll agree to disagree then. I just don’t think they’re at risk in the way they were previously. The longer they’re private citizens, the less likely they’ll be targeted. I imagine that’s difficult for Harry to comprehend though, having been raised under constant public scrutiny. As @ancientgran said, people cycle in and out of public consciousness. Their children won’t receive the same level of attention as he did it if they keep a low profile.

@EdithWeston

the palace made sure we are aware that MM has been invited to Sandringham unlike everyone else

I think royal fans spotted that irrespective of what the palace did/didn't do

Archie will not receive security or the title of Prince

As a babe in arms, he wouldn't. He'd be covered by the parents security

He wasn't entitled to the style of prince, because of the queen's longevity. Great grand children of the monarch are not entitled. There was a special arrangement for the Cambridges brood because they are in the direct succession. But the Sussexes do not seem to like that it was a one-off

They would be entitled, as grandchildren of the monarch, when Charles inherits. But as they have given up their royal HRH style, I expect they will instead emulate the Wessexes re children's styles. After all they could have used Harry's subsidiary title it just Lord and Lady, but have chosen not to. I dont see why they would change approach

As I said, another BS story from the palace.

Security is not linked to the title.

They are aware he cannot be prince now, but he should still have security. If one parent is in the US (as they said she must work), and the other is on tour, he would not be protected. Infact it does not sound like he could be left for a day without security.

The only link to the Cambridge changes is that it's evident that the palace can infact change rules for Archie not to have the title.
H&M were aware of this. At some point, MM talks about the patents .

[quote Cameleongirl]**@rubicscubicle. We’ll agree to disagree then. I just don’t think they’re at risk in the way they were previously. The longer they’re private citizens, the less likely they’ll be targeted. I imagine that’s difficult for Harry to comprehend though, having been raised under constant public scrutiny. As @ancientgran said, people cycle in and out of public consciousness. Their children won’t receive the same level of attention as he did it if they keep a low profile.[/quote]
My point exactly, they have not yet gone out of public conscience. Maybe after some time, but that has not happened yet.

Completely off topic, luckily the dog walker wasn't fatally wounded, but....Lady GaGa fired him/abandoned him or something. Poor man took a bullet for those dogs literally.

I would imagine that despite their departure they might want to drop into charities that they left behind and say hi in person. Being seen to do charitable work is still part of their image and they genuinely might like and want to see the people who work there as I would imagine you start to form an attachment each time you visit. The charities will want the photos for promotion too

That is what they did last time, so I don't understand this narrative that they should hide away.

Between royal security being offered to non-royal public (Pippa), paid for (Camilla) and private weddings that should be toned down (Kate Moss), in all likelihood Harry will win.

You do know the police presence at Kate Moss’s wedding wouldn’t have been royal protection officers don’t you . They were normal bobbies to manage traffic etc.

As for Camilla information above linked to former police officers and for Pippa it was a security sweep - who knows why. But it wasn’t 24/7 close protection. It’s really not the same at all.

My point exactly, they have not yet gone out of public conscience. Maybe after some time, but that has not happened yet. Oh please let it be sooner rather than later.

@rubicscubicle. Let’s hope they don’t try to participate in the Jubilee or do anything public in the UK for a few years, that would really help.

I do remember royals visiting my force and other than the Queen they only ever seemed to have one (protection officer) with them

Out of interest was this definitely who you saw?
The equerries, ladies and waiting are generally just behind the principals, but in my - admittedly limited - experience the protection officers tend to make themselves invisible, to the point where it's quite fun trying to spot them

William's children are the only GGC of the Queen to have titles though, it isn't like Archie was singled out. I don't know about protection, I'm assuming they don't.

If I was his brother I wouldn't be saying or talking to him in case it all got taken to the press. He as burnt his boats. All or nothing.

It was William (or his team if you like ) who first leaked the story to Royal Nikka in the Sunday Times. Harry only corrected when he was asked about it.

So if anyone should be careful, its Harry.

You do know the police presence at Kate Moss’s wedding wouldn’t have been royal protection officers don’t you grin. They were normal bobbies to manage traffic etc. We have a police presence at our wee Hogmanay bonfire every year.

Harry: 'I want to live as a private individual, step out of the limelight and be left alone by tabloids'.

Step 1

Explosive interview with one of America's most famous women, licensed to 68 countries, with all the most lurid details previewed for weeks in advance.

Later, just as things are beginning to die down:

Harry: I have intergenerational trauma because my dad Prince Charles didn't take me bike riding as a kid!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I do remember royals visiting my force and other than the Queen they only ever seemed to have one (protection officer) with them

Out of interest was this definitely who you saw?
The equerries, ladies and waiting are generally just behind the principals, but in my - admittedly limited - experience the protection officers tend to make themselves invisible, to the point where it's quite fun trying to spot them

Yes, due to my job I was heavily involved in lists and timetables and other such stuff.

ancientgran

Last I read, it was 3 round the clock, 24 hr cover. But seeing him dodging around in his Range Rover between palaces, there seemed to be more!

one at a time... 3 to cover 24 hours is what I mean

@ChiefInspectorParker

I’m sorry derxa but your claim about Hogmanay policing doesn’t really fit the ‘agenda’.

Doesn't it?