If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

@Giggorata

Have they got chickens? (Misses point of thread)

Yes they have!

Yes, Harry's sixth in line to the throne, but I wonder whether he's fully realized how much things have moved on since they left two years ago. They're not really relevant in the UK now and will become less relevant with every passing year.

Gosh, aren't people tired of pushing this 'irrelevant' line already. No one gets front page for being irrelevant.

@Roussette

Personally (and this will not go down well) they should just allow it... it will be so infrequent anyway, maybe a trip back to an airport, or whatever.... To me (again an unpopular view to some) it just sounds petty.

I agree. I'm sure there's one CP officer knocking about who could accompany them from an airport to Windsor for a planned arrival time/departure time , there would be hoards of security anyways at any even they all attend.

It's hardly a big ask is it.

But suppose what do you do if they want to pop out to the shops when there's isn't a spare CP officer available, or go visit a friend?

They would literally have to stay in Windsor under practical lock and key or risk going out alone as a family unless they doubled up with someone else who does have paid for 24/7 CP security.

They aren't it would appear be eligible for their own 24/7 RP CP. So private would-be their only option for such smaller personal events.

@Roussette

When flogging milk to the Chinese he styles himself as 'a member of the RF'.

Just imagine for one minute, one small minute... Harry doing that. With a replica of BP in the background, and a golden coach and horses like the Queen uses... and a footman in a grand corridor serving you a glass of the white stuff.

MN would explode!

I don't know why, he is a member of the royal family, it's hardly a secret is it. People need to earn a living, I don't suppose he is particularly wealthy so are people jealous he can make money or is it something else? Minor royals need to make their own way don't they.

I don't get it really.

Why does Harry believe he and his family are at higher risk in the UK than in the US?

If he is at risk because of being the grandson of the Queen, he is going to carry that risk anywhere on the planet, not just when he sets foot back in the UK.

I tend to agree with the OP, if he feels his family are not safe here and are safer in countries outside of the UK, he really shouldn't consider bringing them here, and be relieved and grateful they are in place that is safer than his home country..

@Roussette

Personally (and this will not go down well) they should just allow it... it will be so infrequent anyway, maybe a trip back to an airport, or whatever.... To me (again an unpopular view to some) it just sounds petty.

Great idea. Allow private individuals to buy police time. Should we make the prices affordable so that ordinary people can do it too? Perhaps be able to walk into the local station and pay for an hour of police time to accompany your kid to school?

Or will this just be for the rich? Or those with royal connections? (bearing in mind that, for example, the House of Saud is huge) would you suggest that those with foreign royal connections also be able to purchase superior public services on a pay as you go basis?

@rubicscubicle. Regardless of whether he’s on the front pages of the tabloids right now due to this latest spat, he should be less “relevant” at this point and I imagine he will be in ten years. I wish he and Meghan would just get on with their lives here in the US and only make the occasional private trip to the UK.

@ChiefInspectorParker.

I clearly said they did not believe the statement of working to be true, because they stayed. So they called BS on that. But I thought they acknowledged that they were being messed about.

I said, she did not get any special prerogative over others, so they just did what they do for everyone else.

Perhaps for optic purposes, the palace made sure we are aware that MM has been invited to Sandringham unlike everyone else. We could see that Charles walked her down the isle. All for PR.

What the palace did not tell us was that behind closed doors, they were telling her she has to work, they have not budget. Archie will not receive security or the title of Prince. They were leaking stories about her.

Hope that is clear.

[quote Cameleongirl]@rubicscubicle. Regardless of whether he’s on the front pages of the tabloids right now due to this latest spat, he should be less “relevant” at this point and I imagine he will be in ten years. I wish he and Meghan would just get on with their lives here in the US and only make the occasional private trip to the UK.[/quote]
They did not put themselves on the front pages. The British media did. To top it off, they dug up an old story from September.

H&M can do what they want, when they want.

The british tabloids can ignore them - it's not like they report much positive about them win the first place. That is fine, other publications will pick up the story.
In 10yrs time, they will be proper middle aged (around 50) and everyone will likely be concentrating on the Cambridge children. What about it.

All I am saying is that if you are irrelevant, you don't make cover pages.

In 10yrs time, they will be proper middle aged (around 50) and everyone will likely be concentrating on the Cambridge children. What about it.

Very true - important to monetise things now

[quote Cameleongirl]@rubicscubicle. Regardless of whether he’s on the front pages of the tabloids right now due to this latest spat, he should be less “relevant” at this point and I imagine he will be in ten years. I wish he and Meghan would just get on with their lives here in the US and only make the occasional private trip to the UK.[/quote]
It could have been that simple. Move to the US, ignore the rumours of falling outs etc, live as private citizens. Follow the RF line of not commenting publicly. Interest would have waned and they would have been largely forgotten in this country.

The pity parties, explosive interviews and accusations, constant litigation threats etc actually just serve to create content, like some Kardashian-style reality show.

@TheHairyDinosaur

There are plenty of Close Protection firms here in the UK for private hire, many are staffed with ex military para's royal marines SAS and SBS, ex CP police from the parliamentary or royal protection teams. I know many of them personally due to who I used to be married to.

Intel is shared with them via correct channels if a risk or threat is identified. The Russian Oligarch who is hiring them can then decide if they want the police to step in or of they are happy with their CP team allow them to continue with the Intel briefing.

All CP agents will know how to handle threats, escape and evade, disarm, and know what they can do within the law.

I'm not sure why Harry can't just hire a well experienced British firm if he thinks his US team can't understand the UK.

But I think he wants firearm protection, which only the RP CP team can have. Not sure how a firearm is going to help in a motorcade incident when driving away from paparazzi, a competent and skilled driver is probably of more use.

Can't be having a raging gun blaze going off round Windsor can we.

I was in a London park one day and I was fascinated watching the protection people who were very clearly guarding 2 young Arab children. The woman who was with them, a nanny perhaps, was pretty well ignored but the 3 guards had a set pattern and as the children played getting closer together or further apart the guards took up different positions. It was two men and one woman, watching them it looked like one man stayed close to the little boy, the woman stayed close to the little girl and the 2nd man adjusted his position depending where the others were. The secondman was also talking on a mobile phone. I was quite mesmerised watching them.

I had a friend who worked at a very very exclusive school and she said she had a bodyguard sat at the door of her classroom for one child, she never knew the child's name as they used a different name each term. Someone took a photograph one day and the bodyguard just walked up, took the camera and removed the film, in the days when you had film rather than digital. I wonder what they'd do now, smash the phone?

Imagine growing up like that.

@BringBackThinEyebrows

She had financial help when at uni, after he blew his money on a dodgy diamond business. He was broke by that point.

@rubicscubicle what's your source for the statement above? Are you saying Thomas Markle didn't contribute financially to uni costs?

I can't locate your response to this @rubicscubicle, did you reply?

[quote rubicscubicle]@ChiefInspectorParker.

I clearly said they did not believe the statement of working to be true, because they stayed. So they called BS on that. But I thought they acknowledged that they were being messed about.

I said, she did not get any special prerogative over others, so they just did what they do for everyone else.

Perhaps for optic purposes, the palace made sure we are aware that MM has been invited to Sandringham unlike everyone else. We could see that Charles walked her down the isle. All for PR.

What the palace did not tell us was that behind closed doors, they were telling her she has to work, they have not budget. Archie will not receive security or the title of Prince. They were leaking stories about her.

Hope that is clear.[/quote]
Why would she have to work? Prince Harry is very wealthy isn't he? He and Prince William inherited alot of money when their mother died, well I thought they did. She was hardly going to end up on UC was she.

@rubicscubicle. I suppose I don’t really understand why this security issue was ever raised by Harry’s team. Why doesn’t he and and his family just quietly make private visits to the Queen and forget about doing anything else like the Jubilee celebrations or charitable events ?
They don’t want to be part of the RF’s hoopla- yes, they experienced threats over two years ago when they lived in the UK as working royals, but why would they now if they just visit family privately? Their lives are in the US, they don’t need to participate in any public events in the UK.

the palace made sure we are aware that MM has been invited to Sandringham unlike everyone else

I think royal fans spotted that irrespective of what the palace did/didn't do

Archie will not receive security or the title of Prince

As a babe in arms, he wouldn't. He'd be covered by the parents security

He wasn't entitled to the style of prince, because of the queen's longevity. Great grand children of the monarch are not entitled. There was a special arrangement for the Cambridges brood because they are in the direct succession. But the Sussexes do not seem to like that it was a one-off

They would be entitled, as grandchildren of the monarch, when Charles inherits. But as they have given up their royal HRH style, I expect they will instead emulate the Wessexes re children's styles. After all they could have used Harry's subsidiary title it just Lord and Lady, but have chosen not to. I dont see why they would change approach

@LittleBearPad

In 10yrs time, they will be proper middle aged (around 50) and everyone will likely be concentrating on the Cambridge children. What about it.

Very true - important to monetise things now

And perhaps to work hard now that you still have so much energy?

Great idea. Allow private individuals to buy police time

Allow a member of the Royal Family to buy police time. There you go

They did not put themselves on the front pages. The British media did. To top it off, they dug up an old story from September

This. ^^

Everyone saying I wish they'd stop doing stuff, ending up on the front pages blah blah.
They wish they weren't too I'm sure. It's just clickbait

@Roussette

Personally (and this will not go down well) they should just allow it... it will be so infrequent anyway, maybe a trip back to an airport, or whatever.... To me (again an unpopular view to some) it just sounds petty.

If all they want is an officer on the journey to and from the airport it is petty. If they want full protection for all of them 24/7 it isn't petty, it is massive.

To have one police officer on duty at all times you have to employ five, so if PH wants an officer with each of them that is 4 on duty at any time so you need 20 trained officers to cover that if they are here for a week. I don't think there is much chance of the Met having 20 spare officers who are sufficiently trained lying around spare. I reckon that to ensure you have 20 spare highly trained officers available at all times, just in case you need them, it would cost over £1m per annum. That covers costs like salary, pension, recruitment, training, sick pay etc. So that isn't petty.

Depends what he's asking for and we don't know. Well you might I don't but if he has just asked for an armed officer for the trip to/from the airport then I agree it is petty.

[quote Cameleongirl]@rubicscubicle. I suppose I don’t really understand why this security issue was ever raised by Harry’s team. Why doesn’t he and and his family just quietly make private visits to the Queen and forget about doing anything else like the Jubilee celebrations or charitable events ?
They don’t want to be part of the RF’s hoopla- yes, they experienced threats over two years ago when they lived in the UK as working royals, but why would they now if they just visit family privately? Their lives are in the US, they don’t need to participate in any public events in the UK.[/quote]
I would imagine that despite their departure they might want to drop into charities that they left behind and say hi in person. Being seen to do charitable work is still part of their image and they genuinely might like and want to see the people who work there as I would imagine you start to form an attachment each time you visit. The charities will want the photos for promotion too.

Why does Harry believe he and his family are at higher risk in the UK than in the US?

Could it be because so far the Neo Nazis who have been caught are from the UK?
So far, have not heard that much of an issue in the US.

He could easily fly over and go straight to Frogmore with Princess Eugenie but he needs photos for the programmes he has to make for Netflix and needs footage of him with the Queen and other royals for him to sell the stories. No need to announce to press and all and sundry he is coming just pop over quietly with no fuss. Only problem is H and M don't do no fuss and quietly. They like a fanfare. Remember the photo shoot in a cemetery on Poppy day a couple of years ago when H&M paid a photographer to film them laying a wreathe in US. Any normal person would have quietly, with no publicity, just gone and laid a wreathe.

@Cameleongirl Plus Harry may want to genuinely support his grandmother at events like the Jubilee. This is the first time ever that a Platinum Jubilee has happened and I'd imagine that he still lives the Queen despite what's happened.

ancientgran

They're happy to pay this for Andrew... STILL.