If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

@rubicscubicle, "And anyway, your post implies that she did not lie."

I'm not sure which poster it is who said she did lie, but my point is that it was disingenuous of Meghan, I think, to imply that there was something controlling and abusive about the "institution" keeping hold of her passport if it's something that is routinely done in such circles.

@ANameChangeAgain

Our police service are not there for his private use. This is what private security is for. He doesn't work for this country by choice, so he need to dig into his own enormous pockets to fund security for his family. He is a celebrity now, not a working royal.

My thoughts exactly, and not from a cost perspective but a staffing one.

If we were swimming in spare police officers and he wanted to pay them himself for their services than fine, crack on, but to take them away from regular duties for the benefit of the public is ridiculous.

I don't blame him for wanting security for his family at all but surely someone with his money, profile and contacts could find and pay for a top notch private security company to do the job. He probably has dormer military associates doing exactly that.

@smilesy

I've just looked on line and all I can find is Prince Andrew is paying for ex police officers to protect his daughters. Harry could do the same probably.

Of course he could, but his argument seems to be that privately paid security don’t have access to up to the minute information on any security threat, which is why he wants actual police. Of course, as pp have said, intelligence on any actual threat would be passed on to his team, so not sure what his problem is really.

Yes I get that but someone was saying Prince Andrew was paying for police protection for his daughters so Harry should be able to do the same, well it seems it is ex police officers so Harry could do the same so no favoritism to the Yorks as was being suggested.

He probably has dormer military associates doing exactly that.

I'd bet the contents of my bank account on it. Loads of them do it especially high rankers from the more high profile regiments. Makes perfect sense as they already have a solid, ready made contacts list for clients and an unlimited trained employee work force to draw from. It's extremely lucrative and they work all over the world. I know numerous ex soldiers doing it. Not me though. I'm not brave or fit enough

Me too @LondonWolf...one is ex SAS, pretty sure he and his team could anything the police could!

[quote elbea]@rubicscubicle Surely if she thought it was odd she’d have asked her husband, who will have assured her that it was very normal. It was necessary for staff to do their jobs efficiently and for security purposes.[/quote]
Perhaps that same husband kept his own passport.

[quote CallmeHendricks]@rubicscubicle, "And anyway, your post implies that she did not lie."

I'm not sure which poster it is who said she did lie, but my point is that it was disingenuous of Meghan, I think, to imply that there was something controlling and abusive about the "institution" keeping hold of her passport if it's something that is routinely done in such circles.[/quote]
No, Sorry @CallmeHendricks, I should be clear, it was neither you nor @elbea. It was another poster who listed the so called 'lies'. I believe your posts culminated from that.

I believe this came up when she was asked why didn't she just go to her therapy or rehab or whatever, and she said an uber does not just pop up at the palace. Coupled with someone telling her to tone it down she is all over the place. I think that is why should would have found t it controlling. If she was instructed to hand in her keys, passport etc. and she sees KM driving home to the Middleton house and everyone seems to be coming and going as and when, then it would seem controlling and abusive.

To be fair the last thing I would want for my dd is to be catapulted into that toxic environment.The only people as I far as I can see that can tolerate it all would be a full blown narc looking for constant recharge

That's Kate and Sophie too then?!

@ Snowdropsinourforest

Your posts are some of the most sensible on this thread .

@rubicscubicle 'If she was instructed to hand in her keys, passport etc. and she sees KM driving home to the Middleton house and everyone seems to be coming and going as and when'.

I wasn't aware that this happened - when/where? The only instance I had read about was when she said Kate was off shopping, and didn't offer her a lift.

@Snowdropsinourforest

I don't hate them at all. I wish them the very best in life and hope they are happy.

Jeez, if you wish them well, I would hate to read what you write about those you do hate.

Your posts are full of made up nonsense with no backing up and lots of negative spin and conjecture.

@ajandjjmum

Not wanting to do anything in the royal family does not mean you don't support the institution. *@Whatiswrongwithmyknee*

Why would you want to support an institution in which you believe your father and brother are trapped?

Good point but I get the impression that he wants the institution to be different rather than abolished. Being cynical you could say that then he can come back and maintain his life of privilege without having to work as hard for it.

@Supersimkin2

Has he really had death threats? Really? No evidence of one, ever, and given the couple's propensity for moaning about a bunch of flowers gone wrong I can't think they'd have missed spilling the beans.

Harry's always been paranoid about security - and like his mother, he's now got to rely on freebies from rich people. Ended well with her after she refused HMG security. Maybe he's changed his mind.

Yes, of course he and his wife have had death threats, multiple ones in fact

Surely he should be given exactly the same protection as Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara, Peter Phillips, and Prince Edwards' kids because it's all the same rank now?

Surely, if there is a threat against him (and a credible one), then the Met would leap into action anyway? So this seems to be a bit of a strange argument from PH.

I think there are two key issues

a) as a PP noted, he wants access to intel that could then be transferred elsewhere. How does anyone know that they can trust the private security team not to sell that intel on elsewhere?

b) it sets a disturbing precedent. If he can buy his way to this intel, then what's to stop other high profile celebs demanding the same? It then opens up to the black market, because you could see criminals then claiming to represent a celeb to buy access to that intel, and then using it for nefarious purposes.

No, Snowdropsinourforest's posts are not 'sensible' or anything else a couple of posters have now popped up to say. They are appalling in their viciousness and bizarre fabrications. I don't understand why they have been left to stand. Oh, and everyone called Elizabeth Windsor Lillibet when she was a child, it wasn't just a precious name reserved for her father.

Oh, and everyone called Elizabeth Windsor Lillibet when she was a child, it wasn't just a precious name reserved for her father.

It was used by family and close friends - not everyone.

[quote elbea]@CallmeHendricks I have worked for a few UHNW individuals, wealthier than the Sussex’s. I always kept their passports in the office safe, I was the one that would use the passport to make bookings etc… I’d then hand them the passport and any necessary travel documents when required. It’s 100% common practice.[/quote]
That sheds some light on her claims. As I said before, they have a history of lies, half truths, and creative uses of the truth in order to to propagate a false narrative.

Yes, even anne who did survive a kidnap attempt gets the train on her own.

Snowdrop I doubt hardly anyone has even heard of Autumn. Why is she an asset to the RF?
I'd love to know.