Harry to sue UK governmdnt

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This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@Nesbo

Can someone explain why they don’t want him to be able to pay for this?

I mean, the risk is clear, and there is no comparison to him being a private individual because he literally cannot escape being the queens Grandson.

So what do people want? They would rather his security not be as good, even though he literally wants to pay for it himself?

And if one of his kids were to die, what would be the response then? It was his fault somehow?

Seriously, I given up on this country sometimes.

The Met is not an organisation for hire for rich people. It is supposed to be a public service, paid for by the tax payer. Harry can't commandeer their time and man power to serve his own personal interests. Otherwise I suppose all celebs would do this.

@Chilledchablis1

I find it interesting that the MOS website has now moved this story way down its page below the Tonga tsunami, Djokovic and other stories, similarly the BBC Website . I am watching Sky News and, so far , no mention. Maybe people are not so interested in H and M nowadays ?

They moved it because Harry corrected their misleading nonsense.

@Nesbo From what a previous poster said, apparently the Daily Mail reported that Harry wanted to sue the government. I’m sure that if it was reported that Harry wanted to pay for a level of security that a private citizen does not normally pay for, it won’t be as tantalizing.

To be quite honest, I don’t think there should be a question of if he should pay. As long as he is on UK soil, I don’t think he should pay because his private security would never be as good and I don’t think the risk is worth it. If people want him to maintain ties with his family, participate in public events etc, then he will need to be provided armed police protection. If he is not provided such a level of protection, then there should be no fault on him if he chooses to stay away. But of course, that won’t do. He’ll be criticized for staying away so the British government should just provide the protection whenever Harry and Meghan visit, which I’m sure would not be as frequent seeing as they have two little ones.

@WhiterShadeofPale3 I dont see an issue tbh. It could be a source of income.

But he is not just a rich celeb for fucks sake! Our ridiculous idea that in 2022 we should still have a monarchy and a Queen in charge of our country means that his life is at risk, as is the life of his wife and children!

Our desire for a monarchy has put him and his family at risk. He has no choice in that, we have created that situation for them.

We owe him. We owe him for as long as choose to put his family on a pedestal.

Take away the monarchy, then it is his problem. But we can’t have it both ways. If we want a king, or a queen, we have to accept that we put their lives at risk, and the lives of their family. It is that simple.

@Nesbo

But he is not just a rich celeb for fucks sake! Our ridiculous idea that in 2022 we should still have a monarchy and a Queen in charge of our country means that his life is at risk, as is the life of his wife and children!

Our desire for a monarchy has put him and his family at risk. He has no choice in that, we have created that situation for them.

We owe him. We owe him for as long as choose to put his family on a pedestal.

Take away the monarchy, then it is his problem. But we can’t have it both ways. If we want a king, or a queen, we have to accept that we put their lives at risk, and the lives of their family. It is that simple.

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@Nesbo - surely the risk would be there whatever the situation with the monarchy? If we became a republic tomorrow he would still need the level of protection

So whenever Obama Trump Biden visited with their huge security teams they're unarmed??

Nesbo he lives in America now we don’t owe him security for his holidays, many people can’t afford holidays or to visit family members abroad.

Harry should have special protection in the UK. I also think he should have a starring role in the Queen's Jubilee celebrations. Along with Meghan and the children. Keep W&K under wraps - they're too boring. As for Camilla and Charles - dullsville.

@Nishkin - absolutely. We can’t solve this in a generation. We’ve placed them at risk for the rest of their lives, possibly their childrens lives.

We have to decide when to stop placing them at risk. That is up to us.

Nesbo Totally agree.

He is grandson to the Monarch, and will be son to the next one, and brother after that.

Yes, some of the country are so desperate for a Monarchy and all that comes with it.

I just can't see the problem with police protection whilst he's over here... it's likely to be a few days maybe once a year. And knowing how incensed people get, he wants to pay for it.

I have no idea why people are so worked up with this. It sounds very normal and fair to me.
All the London embassies have Diplomatic Protection officers provided by the Met (like that vile killer who shall remain nameless) and it's a bad job if we can't protect a member of the RF for very infrequent trips

Nesbo No they can't explain, without admitting that they think in a certain 1930s kind of way.

None of them will have clicked on the link upthread comparing the press coverage of Kate's and Meghan's pregnancies. I'd never seen it before, but it contains the reason for all this Protection non-story and incessant vilifying of Harry.

The depth of hate in the UK is truly incredible.

Only thing I don't understand is why Meghan gave her daughter that name and why they still want to be known as Sussexes.

Only thing I don't understand is why Meghan gave her daughter that name and why they still want to be known as Sussexes.

I think people on both sides of this debate wonder that...

Only thing I don't understand is why Meghan gave her daughter that name and why they still want to be known as Sussexes.

Because without the royal connection, what would they do?

Because their royalty is the only reason they are where they are. Take away that and whats left. They need to keep up the links with the family. For the book deals and chat shows.

@Nesbo & others - he chose to move away for vast amounts of money - his choice. The rules are that those who do engagements for the monarchy can have paid protection - he doesn't - if they had chosen to stay it may have been different - but really why is Harry any different o Princess Anne on her days off ? If he comes over and joins in Diamond Jubilee celebrations I am sure he will be in with the Queen's security.

Like it or not there are rules for Royal protection & people may not like it - but he should have known this . If we give it to Harry do Andrew's daughters get it or Zara and her family.

Yes he is born into a position - so was Anne - but he chooses not to support the RF as well as the rules being he can only get protection whilst carrying out duties - which he does not. He could have done - they both could - they chose not to.

I think he has not asked to hire police for body guarding duties either - from what I read he wanted to have access to the intelligence they have on threats to the RF. And can't do that with privately hired contractors. Surely the police could be looking at threats to him and his family when looking at general RF threats?

@Nesbo

But he is not just a rich celeb for fucks sake! Our ridiculous idea that in 2022 we should still have a monarchy and a Queen in charge of our country means that his life is at risk, as is the life of his wife and children!

Our desire for a monarchy has put him and his family at risk. He has no choice in that, we have created that situation for them.

We owe him. We owe him for as long as choose to put his family on a pedestal.

Take away the monarchy, then it is his problem. But we can’t have it both ways. If we want a king, or a queen, we have to accept that we put their lives at risk, and the lives of their family. It is that simple.

Yes. I oppose the monarchy on ideological grounds, but when they are all sweet and earnest and photogenic I also enjoy the show sometimes and feel attached to these people I've never met.

Then I remember that we are basically breeding them in captivity, aren't we, to serve our system and satisfy our sentiments. Harry didn't ask for that.

I think it's the intelligence and having protection officers who only work if his family visits that are the sticking points.

@justasking111

So whenever Obama Trump Biden visited with their huge security teams they're unarmed??

I dont believe they will be. But I am guessing they got permission that is denied to Harry.

Of course the police look at threats to him, and will communicate anything worrying to him or his private security firm. They just won’t routinely share intelligence because it would be inappropriate.

One thing mumsnet teaches us is that families are incredibly complex. Nothing is black and white. Harry has been brought up with a sense of duty but struggles against that as I think he also has quite a modern sense of love and marriage.

He is a mix of conflicting ideas and pressures. I suspect he loves his grandmother on a personal level, but struggles with the bizarre hierarchy and structure he is bound by. You can long for the personal relationships but hate the formality.

That’s all conjecture though, I know nothing about what it is really like to be a royal. Looks awful though.

@cherryonthecakes

I think it's the intelligence and having protection officers who only work if his family visits that are the sticking points.

Of course, they don't only work if he visits. Do you think the officers who guard the Queen when she is on visits are sitting around having cups of coffee because she is staying at Windsor? There is such a thing as over time.

I think he has not asked to hire police for body guarding duties either - from what I read he wanted to have access to the intelligence they have on threats to the RF.

No he accepted that intelligence would not be shared with his security people so he wants the Met officers who have access to the intelligence, whenever he is here and has offered to pay for this.

Prince Harry in legal fight to pay for UK police protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60012238