Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@rubicscubicle
After a quick Google, an example of The Police Act 1996 Section 25 is a football club needing extra police presence because they think that a match might end up with violence. The individual requesting it might be the Chairman of the Club - it's not about an individual needing protection.

To follow through on points @cherryonthecakes:

‘He was allegedly chased by paparazzi after an event which is why he's thought to have initiated this action. There's a picture of him at the time in the passenger seat of a car filming something on his phone. (Saw this on Twitter)’

Note allegedly, & there is a savage irony to this comment after poor decisions made by Dodi & Diana to dodge the paparazzi. I am sceptical enough to take to consider Harry’s story a play for sympathy & his filming of this event as handheld footage for a piece of ‘documentary footage’.. Doesn’t wash particularly as H&M are proven to have orchestrated their own pappfests.

‘I think the RF will be fine with the Sussexes not coming to the Jubilee. If they turned up on balconies etc then they would be centre of attention rather than HM.’

I now wonder if they have even been invited to join the RF at Jubilee events, or at least left off the guest lists for the ‘balcony’ events?
If they can engineer a ‘ refusal’ to protect them then they can stay home & sulk with no loss of face rather than pitch up & be shown to be very minor players in the RF.

‘I suspect that the Sussexes are a security risk because of their tendency to blab. The UK security services obviously don't want details about arrangements being made public and there's no telling that the Sussexes will keep operational stuff like this confidential. His request for information from the security services is very unreasonable imo.’

Harry has shown himself to be impulsive & disloyal to the RF. I would not trust him (or any security detail not licensed by the appropriate UK Govt agency) with any information that may compromise the safety of any UK citizen, royal or not.

Again, no fan of Andrew, but if he is living & visiting HMTQ on the royal estate in Windsor, then any royal protection services he receives is due to HMTW, & not in his own right.

Say he were to pop out to Pizza Express in a nearby town, then I can only assume that he either has a security crew at his own expense or he flies solo with no cover.

[quote AllThePogs]Proof of the risk.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/neo-nazi-trial-terror-prince-harry-michal-szewczuk-oskar-dunn-koczorowski-a8963396.html[/quote]
@AllThePogs

Interesting that you were ranting about PR and propaganda last night, given that not only were you posting PR statements directly from the Sussex, but you have spent literally hours propagating their narrative and defending them on here. Some paid employees wouldn't be as committed.

I find them to be a pair of whining, entitled, cry bullies.

• THEIR assessment of risk is irrelevant - it's for the police to decide what their level of risk is if they do visit and use their limited resources accordingly.

• The UK police are not available for hire by private individuals or families, regardless of if you're "willing to pay". Approved organisations and events can (subject to approval) pay for extra policing beyond what would be considered ordinary. However, we don't have a two-tier police system where the rich can pay for a superior level of service.

• The racism stuff. I abhor racism. The only proven (as in caught on camera and forced to apologise) racist in the family is the patron saint of wokeness himself. That's Prince Harry, who called one person a "little paki" and referred to another as looking "like a raghead". The hypocrisy of him now libelling his own family as racists was astounding.

To pre-empt your "but Andrew". I, like most, hope that he goes to jail. If he's still receiving taxpayer-funded resources then I agree that they should be stopped.

@Jessica60

Is he getting provided with FBI intelligence and police protection in the US.? No he isn't, so why is he moaning about getting it here. Entitled idiot. He is now a member of the public, we don't pay for police intelligence. That is a very dangerous game providing intelligence because someone has thrown their dummy out of the pram threatening court action

when I lived in the us many years ago you could 'buy' police services like security.

I can imagine that h&m use such a service if that's available in their area.

[quote cherryonthecakes]@rubicscubicle
After a quick Google, an example of The Police Act 1996 Section 25 is a football club needing extra police presence because they think that a match might end up with violence. The individual requesting it might be the Chairman of the Club - it's not about an individual needing protection.[/quote]
It's a Policee Act, anyone can quote it. There are several examples of that.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/16/section/25

@UniversalAunt

To follow through on points *@cherryonthecakes*:

‘He was allegedly chased by paparazzi after an event which is why he's thought to have initiated this action. There's a picture of him at the time in the passenger seat of a car filming something on his phone. (Saw this on Twitter)’

Note allegedly, & there is a savage irony to this comment after poor decisions made by Dodi & Diana to dodge the paparazzi. I am sceptical enough to take to consider Harry’s story a play for sympathy & his filming of this event as handheld footage for a piece of ‘documentary footage’.. Doesn’t wash particularly as H&M are proven to have orchestrated their own pappfests.

‘I think the RF will be fine with the Sussexes not coming to the Jubilee. If they turned up on balconies etc then they would be centre of attention rather than HM.’

I now wonder if they have even been invited to join the RF at Jubilee events, or at least left off the guest lists for the ‘balcony’ events?
If they can engineer a ‘ refusal’ to protect them then they can stay home & sulk with no loss of face rather than pitch up & be shown to be very minor players in the RF.

‘I suspect that the Sussexes are a security risk because of their tendency to blab. The UK security services obviously don't want details about arrangements being made public and there's no telling that the Sussexes will keep operational stuff like this confidential. His request for information from the security services is very unreasonable imo.’

Harry has shown himself to be impulsive & disloyal to the RF. I would not trust him (or any security detail not licensed by the appropriate UK Govt agency) with any information that may compromise the safety of any UK citizen, royal or not.

Again, no fan of Andrew, but if he is living & visiting HMTQ on the royal estate in Windsor, then any royal protection services he receives is due to HMTW, & not in his own right.

Say he were to pop out to Pizza Express in a nearby town, then I can only assume that he either has a security crew at his own expense or he flies solo with no cover.

Harry has also said it's suspicious that his mother was killed "when she was dating a non-white person".

Wonder who fed him that one?

The tragedy might just owe more to; no seat belts; drunk-driver; excessive speed.

Wouldn't he already have security with him from the US if he flew here? Why would he need UK police as well? I think he is just trying to save a few quid.

Say he were to pop out to Pizza Express in a nearby town, then I can only assume that he either has a security crew at his own expense or he flies solo with no cover

Why do you assume that?
His Security is paid for and ongoing. At least it was 2 days ago.

@Pr1mr0se

Wouldn't he already have security with him from the US if he flew here? Why would he need UK police as well? I think he is just trying to save a few quid.

His US team wouldn't be able to use firearms and don't have info that the police would have. He is happy to pay for UK protection like Blair does

I think he is just trying to save a few quid

An odd comment given he emphasises he wishes to pay for it himself in his statement.
I linked it upthread if you want to check

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Harry stated in the interview that the police did say his threat level is still high

Harry stated a lot of things in that interview, and doubtless there'll be more in his upcoming book, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they're all true

It all sounds like a fuss over nothing to me, since if he does come back he'll be protected while he's with the family - and even if he isn't, if the police consider the risk high enough

Fuss over nothing ?

This is a very strange statement. Neo-nazism is very strong belief. That is their lifestyle, they are organise themselves. If they believe in something they do the most atrocious things (the mass killings in NZ and other places etc.).
The two young men who were arrested for H&M's case are the sons of the leaders of the UK base. II can easily see them holding a grudge and a 'son for a son' vendetta.

If you think these nutters are forgetful, or pissing about, you are delusional.

They are both spoilt brats I'm sick of them

Agree rubics and would you take the risk?

This is an interesting tweet from a former Chief Prosecutor. I don't think it's as simple as 'pay for private security'

nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
Lets be clear
Prince Harry wants to pay for his own security in U.K.
Home Office won’t let him because they say the threat to him & his family is so great that private security couldn’t do the job
He should be commended for not relying on public money

cherrypie

Can I suggest you avoid threads on them then?
If it's affecting you so badly, that's what you should do

@Snowdropsinourforestso you would prefer just to let him be murdered instead?

so when the Queen passes away he will not be held accountable for making her last few years a living hell

How, in the name of all that is holy, is he going to do that?

I think his Uncle has caused far far more living hell damage to his Mother and the RF than Harry over in the US.

@Snowdropsinourforest

It is definitely true re court action and in multiple broadsheets today.

Incredibly entitled to imagine he can walk out of his 'home country', rip the royal family to shreds in public interviews and then demand he has 'special protection' when he visits....IF he visits with the children. He has shown no interest in doing so up to now, and Lilibet is now seven months old there has been plenty of opportunity.

My guess is that he is getting his excuses in early and blaming his lack of visits on a 'lack of protection' for his 'vulnerable' family so when the Queen passes away he will not be held accountable for making her last few years a living hell.
If the Queen never meets the grandchild named after her after all the dreadful things that H& M have done, how would this be Harry's fault if he can't come here safely? Even though everyone knows he can easily afford his own security given the multi million dollar deals they have both done. He will insist he needs a 'certain type' of security.

This is pure smoke and mirrors to cover his very exposed backside when he is held accountable for everything he has inflicted on his very elderly and now very poorly widowed Grandmother and the chickens come home to roost, which they will.

They are master of manipulation if nothing else.

I agree with much of this.

'Incredibly entitled to imagine he can walk out of his 'home country', rip the royal family to shreds in public interviews and then demand he has 'special protection' when he visits....IF he visits with the children. He has shown no interest in doing so up to now, and Lilibet is now seven months old there has been plenty of opportunity.'

Maybe he's thinking they need to raise their waning profile.. we know the Americans love the Queen, few selfies with HMTQ may boost their cbs/Netflix kerrrching factor.

It's not because they won't pay for him, it's because they won't let Harry use the UK police/ intelligence, even when paying with his own money.

Seems fair enough. Anyone else can do this, why can’t he?

Because I would say yes absolutely due to his birth risk, but then if they are going to continue to pursue this kind of half celeb/ half wannabe politician status then where does the obligation stop when the crown has no control over the level of risk they may be creating?

He is at risk purely because of his royal links. That doesn’t change no matter what he does.

rip the royal family to shreds in public interviews and then demand he has 'special protection' when he visits

Except he isn’t.

He has shown no interest in doing so up to now, and Lilibet is now seven months old there has been plenty of opportunity.

And have people whining about how they haven’t been able to see their families in the US during the pandemic how come he is allowed to? Another “can’t win” situation.

I’m sure there are a lot of rich private citizens in the UK that would like to be able to pay for intelligence for their own security and do not have the right.

Harry decided to become a private citizen when he step down so he needs to abide by rules like one.

Are you genuinely sitting there with tears rolling down your face because someone used to be in the army and had friends who went into security and close protection when they left? As many ex service people do. Dear me some of you are comedians dreams aren't you? So easy to please!