Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@BringBackThinEyebrows

But who suggested Harry's 'crimes' are worse than, "grooming, paedophilia and hanging with despots"?

Can you post the timestamp of the post that implied this because I couldn't find it?

@nottodaybatman

He isn’t a target though. Or the police would protect him. Common perception of people at risk, and actual intelligence-driven risk assessment are two different things.

They also need to separate reputational risk and existential risk. Eg if someone throws an egg at the Sussexes and it hits them, the tendency of the press is to say ‘what if that had been a bomb?’. But it wasn’t a bomb, it was an egg, and if someone was contemplating lobbing a bomb at a member of the Royal Family, it’s likely (although sadly not certain) that intelligence would have picked that up. It’s vanishingly unlikely that a lone actor would build and plan the use of a bomb in that way, so you pick up info on groups discussing that sort of thing - and the threat picture in general is not individual attacks as they are far, far harder to plan and pull off than a random attack on a crowd.

But if someone gets hit by an egg, it’s scary, shocking and embarrassing, but easily executed and makes that person look unprotected. The constant issue for anyone planning security is how to risk assess, and whether spending a vast amount of public money to be seen to be mitigating non-existent threats is worth it for the reputational benefits.

No because I never said anyone did

I simply said the optics of punishing Harry more harshly than Andrew imply that.

He isn’t a target though.

Oh you are funny!

[quote nottodaybatman]@JaniieJones

The mail published a story that was false and a statement was issued to clarify it

The judicial review is to clarify normal protocol after the issue leaving the official event of his mother's unveiling. The review is his only avenue to resolve this.

The RF chose not to protect him when he returned to the airport

The RF choose to continue to protect Andrew. They should extend the same treatment to Harry or stop for both and stop whining to the press that the sussexes don't visit[/quote]
This is all true. But Janie won't listen. Every comment she posts is a daily mail style hate-fest here the truth does not matter.

Those optics are driven by the decisions of the RF. As they are unelected not much we or anyone else on mumsnet can do about those choices

@nottodaybatman

No because I never said anyone did

I simply said the optics of punishing Harry more harshly than Andrew imply that.

Oh.

Proof of the risk.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/neo-nazi-trial-terror-prince-harry-michal-szewczuk-oskar-dunn-koczorowski-a8963396.html

I could be more sympathetic (not totally) if he lived here and paid income tax.

So he was chased by Paparazzi when he left the unveiling?

He can find his own security against that. He doesn’t need the police

This happened last year.

It's an old strategy to divert attention from Andrew as the Sunday papers are coming out to dissect Andrew (and Boris) a little bit more.

Last night, the papers were set to make it their front page.

Harry only answered because the papers have been ringing them up about it.

Isn’t it up to the police to assess the level of threat?

@ArcaneLana

What was Megan’s behavior to warrant the abuse from the UK tabloids when she was pregnant with Archie?. What did Harry and Megan do to deserve Neo Nazis to target them?. Some people on here can be so transparent

Given Harry's penchant for dressing up as a Nazi. If you lie down with dogs etc.

And yes, you can pay for private protection from the police, as has been noted here several times.

Harry couldn’t hide a request for a Judicial Review! It’s a public justice system we run here. The judge won’t decide what Harry can have. A judicial review looks at procedures. How was the decision made and was it lawful? Only the government can change the decision.

[quote AllThePogs]Proof of the risk.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/neo-nazi-trial-terror-prince-harry-michal-szewczuk-oskar-dunn-koczorowski-a8963396.html[/quote]
That’s not current intelligence. Nor do we have any idea of how that threat actually presented. Intelligence and risk assessment are really complex. They may have posed a very real threat at the time or they may not.

Yes that seems to be slightly misreported by the DM

You don't say

I'm confused, though, as to why he should even need security in the UK since I didn't know he was especially keen on coming back - unless he hopes to play some role in the jubilee I guess?

@Gilmorehill

Isn’t it up to the police to assess the level of threat?

Harry stated in the interview that the police did say his threat level is still high. During the Sundingham meeting the agreement was that Harry needed protection. It was taken from him when he was in Canada and his location leaked to the papers at the same time, that is when they decided to move to the US.

@rubicscubicle Are the royal & diplomatic specialist protection units included in that section?

Must be if Blair pays for it.

@AllThePogs no you're totally wrong. I'm not trying to "whip up hate" at all, I obviously skim read the article. God knows why early on a Sunday morning because I normally don't bother.

Harry stated in the interview that the police did say his threat level is still high

Harry stated a lot of things in that interview, and doubtless there'll be more in his upcoming book, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they're all true

It all sounds like a fuss over nothing to me, since if he does come back he'll be protected while he's with the family - and even if he isn't, if the police consider the risk high enough

Paying for police services is usually in the context of policing public events run by private operators. It can be used in other contexts, which is obviously happening with Blair, but would be difficult to operate in a context of many private individuals requesting close protection as those resources are extremely limited. Blair will be repaying some of the costs of a team already assigned to him.

I’m sure the Sussexes risk profiles are fairly high, to reflect the factors cited in that article. But the risk assessment and consequent police operational decision will be based on (a) the type of risk (public order/criminal/terrorist) and (b) residual risk to an individual once the nature of the event is considered. Any large event will be heavily protected already for example. The risk inherent in the trip to the airport will be very low and be around public order most likely. I don’t know but it’s possible he was travelling in an armoured car, which would reduce the risk further.

@LondonWolf

Yes it couldn't possibly be a mixed race family tied to the establishment by blood, with a history of neo nazi threats against them wanting to be able to protect their children (and pay for that protection)

Small part of it yes. Harry is extremely preoccupied with having to pay for and provide his own security though. It comes up repeatedly. As for the racism claims I think they're overblown and conveniently plopped down when necessary both by H&M and also here on MN. Don't bother attacking me for that either. I don't care 😊

I agree with you too

Is he getting provided with FBI intelligence and police protection in the US.? No he isn't, so why is he moaning about getting it here. Entitled idiot. He is now a member of the public, we don't pay for police intelligence. That is a very dangerous game providing intelligence because someone has thrown their dummy out of the pram threatening court action