Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

Part of me thinks the situation with the sussexes and they way the hatred is maintained by the tabloids is to keep the others in line. Should Charlotte or Louis think of leaving this is the template for their treatment? Kate or Sophie want a divorce and fresh start.... I truly hope Sophie's children never start working for the firm. They would be the chosen whipping boys

I think the tabloids are softer with Andrew because he cannot leave so they have constant access for stories.

The tabloid rage towards Harry is precisely because he is not here. Outlandish nonsense is written in the hope he will respond to correct lies so they can keep the gravy train going. Albeit with this story he responded too quickly to give proper cover for Andrew but the rags can probably run a few more articles off this story

@AnneElliott

Private individuals can't pay for police protection *@SickAndTiredAgain*. In certain circumstances event organisers can request the police (and pay for it) at their event (football for example).

But paying for close protection from the Met isn't permitted. Otherwise every Oligarch would have it. Previously other entitled individuals have asked the same question and the answer has always been no.

And it isn't the RF that makes those decisions. It is the Government.

All police protection is provided on a risk-assessed basis. That’s why protection to most members of the Royal family was scaled down so much, because there was no actual risk to them.

If any police intelligence suggests a credible threat to anyone at all, whoever you are, you will receive an appropriate level of police protection.

If Harry is allowed to pay for highly specialised protection officers to protect him when he visits, despite no specific intelligence threats (people mouthing off with racist crap on social media is not that) then a very damaging precedent is set for future high profile visitors. Police resources cannot accommodate these demands.

The Government has strict rules about which overseas visitors are entitled to police close protection, and what form this takes. Any decision to vary these has to be intelligence based. There would be no question of ‘not sharing intelligence’ if any credible threat existed. It would be unprofessional to take that approach.

He’s willing to pay but I presume the police don’t have the manpower to offer round the clock protection whenever he and his family come to the UK. I don’t understand why he can’t just employ private security like other high profile people do when visiting overseas.

[quote AllThePogs]@notimagain The Royal Family don't leak to the press that say Anne is flying into Heathrow though.
They constantly leak about Harry and Meghan.[/quote]
The leaking of flight details isn’t really the issue…even if the Jurno’s, public etc know which flight somebody of interest is arriving on into the likes of Heathrow it is still possible for that person to leave the airport without having to run the gauntlet of cameras, adoring fans and stalkers…

Yes buying our specialist well trained police is definitely a dodgy concept and one I fundamentally disagree with

OK. Let's see Andrew in the same boat as Harry then.

Clue... won't happen

think everyone would breathe a sigh of relief if Harry didn’t show up for jubilee, or not care. I don’t think there’d be an outcry at all

Hahaha... there would be! I'd love to place a bet with you on that. I can see the threads on here now.
I can see the SM saying how selfish he is for not supporting his Granny, how dare he cut his family off like this etc.

@nottodaybatman

Andrew is a private citizen too

But there he is hanging with mummy at Balmoral, chilling in Windsor with all that nice taxpayer funded protection in that modest 130 room Royal Lodge that he pays just £250 a week for.

You do not have to like Harry or support his judicial review but the discrepancy with Andrew is so interesting as is the timing of this story.

Who would complain if Andrew was banished like Harry? Why are we being encouraged to see a sex offender who hangs with groomers and paedophiles as equivalent to man who said no to doing a job that required him to cooperate with racist tabloids haranguing his wife and child?

Yes exactly. I find it fascinating the the royals have been happy to protect Andrew's behaviours for decades along with half the other hangers on, but are happy to use Harry to deflect attention and press knowing UK security services have flagged up neo nazi threats against Harry and his family.

Its also quite shocking to see how many people mindlessly believe any propaganda initiated by the Palace and think someone who cannot stop being a target simply by withdrawing from public life should just "learn to live" with those threats in the UK.

The intelligence services in the UK have repeatedly flagged up that the risk from far right extremism is a greater risk than Islaamic fundamentalists.

Part of me thinks the situation with the sussexes and they way the hatred is maintained by the tabloids is to keep the others in line. Should Charlotte or Louis think of leaving this is the template for their treatment? Kate or Sophie want a divorce and fresh start.... I truly hope Sophie's children never start working for the firm. They would be the chosen whipping boys

God yes. What a great point.

We can revisit this discussion Rousette in June. Gives us all something to look forward to

The intelligence services in the UK have repeatedly flagged up that the risk from far right extremism is a greater risk than Islaamic fundamentalists.

The generic threat, yes. That doesn’t mean any specific credible threat towards the Sussex family exists.

It's in my calendar sash
🤣😂

@3peassuit

He’s willing to pay but I presume the police don’t have the manpower to offer round the clock protection whenever he and his family come to the UK. I don’t understand why he can’t just employ private security like other high profile people do when visiting overseas.

I think all this just smacks of entitlement and still wanting to choose the bits of being royal that they like or are convenient for them or they don't have to pay so much for.

hat doesn’t mean any specific credible threat towards the Sussex family exists

Well it did exist... How do you in particular now it doesn't now?

I have no idea, obviously. I don’t work for police intelligence. But I know that if a threat DID exist at the time the family visited, the police should arrange appropriate protection, just like they would for you or I. And I would think that the Sussexes would be extremely unlikely to fall foul of any lack of resources that would stop that happening, unlike us and our local forces.

Threat pictures are extremely volatile. And obviously intelligence rarely share details of what they know and how.

They don't even live in the country, .......... he wants police protection so he can have a holiday in the UK. And he is asking for a judicial review, instead of paying lawyers, find yourself the private security team that can give you what you need.

@Roussette

I have always felt that the response of the RF and tabloids was extremely OTT
It was only seeing the energy and speed of the RF dealing with Andrew that I started to think why. Andrew is venal, stupid and likes the perks. He wants to stay. They don't need or want to punish him.

I have always thought that the RF needs the married in wives for glamour and interest.
If camilla / Kate/ Sophie wanted to leave at any point this is the template. I feel sorry for the children.

And obviously intelligence rarely share details of what they know and how

Exactly. Which makes it difficult for a private security firm to be abreast of any threats to Harry and his family.

@Roussette

And obviously intelligence rarely share details of what they know and how

Exactly. Which makes it difficult for a private security firm to be abreast of any threats to Harry and his family.

But they don’t need to be. Because if a credible threat existed, the police would either provide protection or work with the private security firm to ensure the appropriate measures were being taken.

They wouldn’t be aware of a threat and just leave them to it. The demand to share intelligence just appears to be posturing to me.

@nottodaybatman

I have always felt sorry for the children... any of them, and I include W&K's in that.

And they can only punish Andrew by stopping him doing dress up on the balcony and making sure he hides away in one of the many Palaces at his disposal. Along with his daft wife of course.

In fact it would be a bigger security threat to routinely share police intelligence with a private company, with the potential for leaks, and compromised reporting.

Double

Posturing to you.
Keeping his family safe to me.

I would move heaven and earth to do that so I don't blame him.

I think all this just smacks of entitlement and still wanting to choose the bits of being royal that they like or are convenient for them or they don't have to pay so much for.

Yes it couldn't possibly be a mixed race family tied to the establishment by blood, with a history of neo nazi threats against them wanting to be able to protect their children (and pay for that protection)

@themessygarden

Several of these private security firms are ex-mossad or trained by Mossad. They are the elite of the elite.

It is ridiculous for him to say he needs UK police protection as he can't find a security firm to provide the same services. He doesn't want to pay for the elite private security companies.

He is exaggerating the risk to him and his family, he could easily fly in with his family and stay under the radar if he really wanted to.

I don't know very much about the world of security but isn't one of the conundrums here that Harry bringing private security from a foreign nation potentially poses a threat to HM and the heirs? Or are the British security services able/expected to do a deep dive into the people making up his security for every visit?

In some respects it might be safer all round for Royal security services to provide protection when he's here otherwise the other senior Royals are being exposed to Harry's 'out of house' security which elite or otherwise could be a loophole.

What happens when foreign dignitaries visit? Do they bring their own people or do our security services provide all their protection?

Seems like Harry moving to the US and renouncing his position has caused all kinds of issues of which ramifications are now becoming apparent. Feels like there's a wider picture here beyond what Harry personally wants. It might be better to keep his protection in house, even if he's not technically entitled to it to minimise the risk to senior royals he will be mixing with.

The whole Diana tragedy came about not because of threats or an attack but because she placed her trust in private security that wasn't up to standard (in her case someone else's security). From that angle I can see that introducing (non Met) outsiders in the mix is a problem when he is in this country and with other members of the RF. What happens in the US is out of our jurisdiction and it was his choice to move there.

@C8H10N4O2

I think all this just smacks of entitlement and still wanting to choose the bits of being royal that they like or are convenient for them or they don't have to pay so much for.

Yes it couldn't possibly be a mixed race family tied to the establishment by blood, with a history of neo nazi threats against them wanting to be able to protect their children (and pay for that protection)

They can have and pay for that protection, from private security firms, many of which will have experienced former close protection officers advising them or working as security officers.

Echo above
You can’t hire the public police force
I do think Harry and his team know this full well !
The talk about paying for something ( that is not up for public hire ) is just lip service for PR
He will either be given police protection or not according to the rules - it’s not for sale