Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

'The repeated use of ‘Intel’ on this thread is making me laugh.'

Me too. I keep awaiting tango fox bravo to be included

@sashagabadon

Private planes fly into raf Northolt literally all the time.it’s an airport well used by royals, politicians and celebs too. How could he have trouble getting there, it’s literally a straight road, the a40. It is a very congested road though, I often sit in traffic on it but it’s not a difficult journey. He could get a car to meet him there and take him in either direction. Literally go one way off the roundabout and you get to Windsor, go the opposite way and you get to central London. I’d meet him at airport and take him myself if he pays me

But will you have ‘intel’ @sashagabadon or just a packet of pombears to greet him with

If lack of police protection prevents him coming to the UK, so much the better. I can’t fathom why the Queen hasn’t removed all of his titles and removed him from the line of succession. This carry-on is going to cause people to call for a referendum and vote to become a republic.

I won’t tell a soul either.

If it's his own money employ a private security agency to provide guards. Why the hell should our police force take staff away from other tasks when he can pay for his own?

I will vote for the Republic to get shot of all of them

But I think hereditary superiority as ordained by God is a bit silly

And I guarantee with my knackered 10 year old car not a single person will suspect he is in the back. It’s the best disguise possible

After the service and commitment the Queen has given to the duty of her role and country she must be left wondering WTF happened to the generations following her.
If ever there was a case to shrink down the royal family to the minimum then surely it's now.

@UniversalAunt

As *@TizororFizz* *@KonTikki* *@mpsw* & others have pointed out, his claim for Royal Protection (& therefore armed) security detail whilst on UK soil does not compute. He is no longer a working royal & if/when he comes here it will be a personal visit.

Royal Protection officers are highly specialised & few in number. Their availability is co-ordinated with the diaries of those due 24/7 cover & working royals carrying out formal duties, there is no spare capacity available for hire. Harry does not qualify for this type of security cover & no amount of his own money (TY Daddy) or judicial hissy fitting will magic up the personnel or even good will to cover his arse.

Harry wanted out, the T&Cs were discussed & negotiated & he as a sentient adult signed on the proverbial dotted line.

He can hire elite security, which he can well afford, whilst he is in the UK. They will not be armed as they might be on other sovereign soil. Harry will not be cruising the clubs or popping out to M&S whilst he is here, he will stay in secluded private residences & venture out to a few places, some public some private, which can be security swept in advance. Any risk to his personal safety can be carefully managed & mitigated.

FWIW, Ex President Obama’s daughter - surely a credible target for racist thugs, terrorists or a lone protagonist - lived quietly in central London & was papp’d going about her business. No need for an armed diplomatic detail, any security detail she had was discrete & at her own expense.

The request for a judicial review was lodged some time ago, maybe it’s come to the top of the list? Maybe it needs to be resolved in good time for the Jubilee, & by extension in due course the funeral of HMTQ & Charles’s Coronation?

Harry is now a private citizen.
He is no longer the ‘spare’ so not royal enough, nor is he a working royal out on official business, nor is he a visiting Head of State. So no specialist royal or diplomatic armed protection for him, he does not meet the criteria for this level of security cover.

He is fantastically rich & can afford the best private security teams available in the UK - some of whom did serve in the royal/diplomatic security services, they will be firearmed trained, but do not carry guns. If he wants to be here for the Jubilee, he needs to get his ginger finger out & book a crew soon. Somehow, I think this has already been done & the judicial review is a piece of vexatious cock waving. Another bit of attention seeking PR, self- aggrandising promotion.

No amount of Harry waving changes the course of Andrew’s downfall. Andrew has been an obnoxious entitled git who was a liability as a trade envoy.

Indeed at one point, Andrew has it all - dashing blade, handsome to some, Falklands war veteran, heads-over-heels romance with string woman, fairytale marriage, two lovely healthy children, breath of fresh air in the monarchy, didn’t take good advice, entitled boorish behaviours, arrogance, demanding spendthrift wife… sound vaguely familiar?

Harry would do well to take heed of Andrew’s fall from grace.

If this is all to much for him, then better he stays home.

Excellent summary. They’re private citizens. Had they chosen to live quietly and not arrange pseudo “state” visits and pursue a celebrity lifestyle then I might have more sympathy for them but they continue to choose to seek attention and attend engagements which play on their “royal” status. Private citizens living private lives cannot expect preferential treatment. I am sure if there are any incidents while they’re in the U.K. which their personal, highly trained security team cannot manage then U.K. police would assist accordingly.

Why the weird language about cry babies? This is the kind of language that whips up hate against Harry and Meghan and means there needs protection. Or did you think encouraging hate has no consequences?

Because in my view, cry baby is the appropriate term for a man who grew up in extreme privilege, whose understanding of poverty and social issues exists at the very surface level. He shows up, says we should help the poor, raises awareness, but is unaware himself. That somewhat extremely juxtaposes with his complaints about his own life.

I disagree with you that because he and his wife are subject to extreme and racist views that they should be protected from normal criticism. I think over-protectiveness is as much a part of the cycle as anything else - if someone who isn't racist can't express a normal, non-racist view using mild negative language, then THAT contributes to the extremism ("can't say anything without being accused of racism" etc). In my opinion, of course.

Though if Harry were to testify against Andrew, or cooperate to name names about people who could, then he'd earn sufficient respect from me to negate any other negative view. I mean, this is the man who claims to have warned Jack Dorsey about the Capitol riots. A man of such prescience could be assumed to know about an event in his own family. I imagine he won't though.

When the interview came out, if it were any other royal who'd done it, your first assumption would be that the two royals who were ON RECORD making racist comments might have been responsible - either Harry or Philip. Then Philip dies shortly after, and Harry calls him a "legend of banter" in his comment. He didn't have to do that. Why praise the "banter" of a man whose "banter" was frequently racist - in public! He could have made any other praise of him.

My point being - Harry is as fallible as any of us are when it comes to his family, and thus I doubt he'd upset the apple cart by assisting in the case against Andrew.

He is not a perfect being, none of us are. I've seen people behave like him before - whipped up by their perceived innocence and perfection, lashing out in every way against the world at every perceived wrong. It leads to nothing but chaos.

He really does want his cake and eat it!

@inheritancetrack Harry wants to pay, currently they will not let him not will they share intel and nor will the RF assist by providing protection to the airport from official events

But the same RF have voluntarily chosen to keep Andrew's protection in ace

Andrew stepped back in November 2019

Harry in January 2020 and his protection was gone in March 2020.

Rf chose not to apply the rules they made up for Harry to Andrew. Maybe RF is just more relaxed about sex abuse and paedophilia

No, he isn't damned if he doesn't. He has made his bed and any attempts to hang on to the Queen's jubilee for his US profile and US audience will be incredibly transparent

Oh come off of it! Are you telling me there wouldn't be threads on here saying Harry doesn't care,(and worse) if he didn't attend?!
There would be.
There would be condemnation all over SM.

Without getting into the stuff about Harry over the last couple of years, I do have sympathy with them on the security issue. For me it boils down to the fact that if we are going to have a royal family, we need to accept that they will need expensive and quality security for the whole of their lives, even if they bail out of the RF, even if they go to live in California.

The sad death of Diana demonstrated what happens when such security is absent and that didn't involve terrorism or racism, both factors with the Sussexes.

There's nothing 'cry baby' about not wanting your children to be harassed and attacked.

He really does want his cake and eat it!

Gosh! Paying for his own security is wanting his cake and eating it! Who knew!

I can’t fathom why the Queen hasn’t removed all of his titles and removed him from the line of succession.

Aside from the fact she may not want to, it would require parliament. She can’t just change the line of succession by herself.

Private individuals can't pay for police protection @SickAndTiredAgain. In certain circumstances event organisers can request the police (and pay for it) at their event (football for example).

But paying for close protection from the Met isn't permitted. Otherwise every Oligarch would have it. Previously other entitled individuals have asked the same question and the answer has always been no.

And it isn't the RF that makes those decisions. It is the Government.

Andrew is a private citizen too

But there he is hanging with mummy at Balmoral, chilling in Windsor with all that nice taxpayer funded protection in that modest 130 room Royal Lodge that he pays just £250 a week for.

You do not have to like Harry or support his judicial review but the discrepancy with Andrew is so interesting as is the timing of this story.

Who would complain if Andrew was banished like Harry? Why are we being encouraged to see a sex offender who hangs with groomers and paedophiles as equivalent to man who said no to doing a job that required him to cooperate with racist tabloids haranguing his wife and child?

'Harry wants to pay, currently they will not let him '

The police aren't an agency one hires out. If he doesn't fulfill the criteria for armed protection well that's the rules! much as he's always wanted one set of his rules, it doesn't work like that.

As I've said I do think some amendment should be made so he can be provided with some protection for his hopefully very occasional visits, just to prevent the outcry of some things were to happen.

Who would complain if Andrew was banished like Harry? Why are we being encouraged to see a sex offender who hangs with groomers and paedophiles as equivalent to man who said no to doing a job that required him to cooperate with racist tabloids haranguing his wife and child?
YES
so odd that H gets lumped together with A.

@KravMaga

They probably haven’t offered, that’s true! I can see it’s not a great precedent though. He can pay for it himself but the police training was at the tax payers’ expense, their weapons are paid for by the taxpayer, the intelligence they have and how they got it is paid for by the taxpayer. A private citizen just buying that by the hour is a dodgy concept. Prince Harry gets it which is one thing (and I don’t agree with the principle even if I can understand why he feels he should have it) and then the floodgates open. Dodgy oligarchs (plenty at risk from assassination) for example. It’s the thin end of the wedge, so it’s not about him as a person, but about the doors it throws open to other people with a lot of cash. I think a judicial review is a good idea though. They know more about how it can go wrong. And a legal challenge is the way to go about it.

Yes buying our specialist well trained police is definitely a dodgy concept and one I fundamentally disagree with. Even buying a regular police officer is completely wrong or we’d have rich oligarchs, tech people, influencers etc all wanting to do it to accompany them here and there. A lot of security officers are ex police and that is fine, hire them no problem for a week or whatever but current police officers just no. I wonder with Harry that he doesn’t think clearly about things and just only looks at things from his point of view.

This is Royal Protection carrying guns. It’s not the same as famous person protection. Harry is bringing the judicial review about how the decision was made. The court cannot make the home office reinstate Royal Protection. It can say the decision process was flawed and therefore the decision was unlawful. This will make them revisit the decision. But the judge might agree with the Government.

Rousette, I think everyone would breathe a sigh of relief if Harry didn’t show up for jubilee, or not care. I don’t think there’d be an outcry at all.
I personally think it’s better he doesn’t attend

Several of these private security firms are ex-mossad or trained by Mossad. They are the elite of the elite.

It is ridiculous for him to say he needs UK police protection as he can't find a security firm to provide the same services. He doesn't want to pay for the elite private security companies.

He is exaggerating the risk to him and his family, he could easily fly in with his family and stay under the radar if he really wanted to.