Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@sashagabadon

If story was leaked to knock Andrew off headlines it hasn’t worked from what I can see. Very little discussion on radio this am, it’s all partygate, Carrie hugging a friend, Novak in Australia and a big discussion on Andrew again. I think the media interest in Harry is reducing a bit. I think this story would have led a year ago but now it’s just a passing mention. Might blow up more on Monday but it’s not setting the world alight this morning anyway.

No it hasn't worked totally, although it did appear on the front page of a few newspapers. But the PR is trying to drown out the Andrew story. They will continue to try and reignite hate against Harry and Meghan, all the while claiming there is no security risk to them.

@TizerorFizz where is that from?

He probably wants to come back for the Jubilee and be afforded the same protection as he was for Prince Philip’s funeral. I can see where he’s coming from - as if he was expecting it for his statue visit and didn’t get it, then he must have been annoyed. But - it’s not about Harry in the big picture. If he sets a precedent as a private citizen able to hire armed police officers at will when he comes back for a holiday, then other people will argue they can too. He would be best to go and stay with his father or brother or grandmother, who are protected anyway and then stop leaks. He managed to keep his honeymoon completely private so they can do it, for sure.

Andrew is living in a Royal Estate. He has protection virtually all the time because of where he is living, as do the Wessex family.
Also note the wording. Andrew no longer has armed protection. So presumably he does have protection.

@KravMaga he had trouble getting to the airport.
And presumably, the RF has not offered him any space to stay with them? The RF also frequently leak where Harry and Meghan are staying.

I think there’s definitely an argument for him having protection, I’d have no issue with him being provided with it.

I do have an issue with essentially a private citizen “hiring” the police. Is this generally allowed, could another high profile individual pay the police for this? I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that. Not that I think Harry would do anything wrong, I just don’t think police should be able to be hired to protect people.

So do you think Tiger he is funding his own protection.

No. Course not.
That looks like a Telegraph article
Everything I have looked at says different
Even the DFail talks of him being called to fund it, but not that he has not got it.
That was 24 hours ago

Harry is asking for Armed Royal protection. That’s what is not now available to Andrew. Yes of course they live on Royal Estates but there is a clear difference between what they get and what Harry wants to pay for. Ann was attacked in The Mall I recall and she doesn’t get Royal Protection at home.

The list of Royal Protection was in The Telegraph. I believe it to be accurate.

@SickAndTiredAgain

I think there’s definitely an argument for him having protection, I’d have no issue with him being provided with it.

I do have an issue with essentially a private citizen “hiring” the police. Is this generally allowed, could another high profile individual pay the police for this? I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that. Not that I think Harry would do anything wrong, I just don’t think police should be able to be hired to protect people.

Exactly this. If everyone could hire police then that means less police on the streets doesn't it? Which impacts on us little people once again.

Harry is a total idiot and needs a reality check if he can't see this.

@KravMaga

He was with William at the unveiling.
When he went to leave and go straight to the airport no protection was offered and there was an incident.

So for whatever reason the RF have decided that they will not extend protection to leave the country.

Andrews HRH and protection were taken this January 2022 and he stepped back in November 2019

The sussexes stepped back in January 2020 and the HRH and security were taken in March 2020.

Maybe the RF were busy and forgot to take Andrew's taxpayer perks and freebies
This was their choice.
The fact that it looks like they have actively coddled a sex offender for over 2 years when they had an excellent precedent with the Sussexes is a problem of the RF own creation.

Releasing and spinning the story now just puts a laser focus on the RF choices re their favourite family sex offender

It was fifty years ago Anne was attacked.
There are no articles whipping up hate against other Royal Family members except Andrew, Harry and Meghan.
I don't believe Andrew is funding his protection.

The list of Royal Protection was in The Telegraph

Ahhh... thought it was.
Other news sources say different

They probably haven’t offered, that’s true! I can see it’s not a great precedent though. He can pay for it himself but the police training was at the tax payers’ expense, their weapons are paid for by the taxpayer, the intelligence they have and how they got it is paid for by the taxpayer. A private citizen just buying that by the hour is a dodgy concept. Prince Harry gets it which is one thing (and I don’t agree with the principle even if I can understand why he feels he should have it) and then the floodgates open. Dodgy oligarchs (plenty at risk from assassination) for example. It’s the thin end of the wedge, so it’s not about him as a person, but about the doors it throws open to other people with a lot of cash. I think a judicial review is a good idea though. They know more about how it can go wrong. And a legal challenge is the way to go about it.

@ttcstinks this is a particular police force that guards high profile citizens. They would never be policing on the streets.
What would happen presumably is overtime would be offered and Harry would pay for that.

I don’t really care about what Andrew gets but it’s dancing on the top of a pin about who is funding what for him. The Queen probably. However he’s not going for Judicial Review over the decision is he? What matters is that Harry isn’t entitled to Armed Royal Protection either but is challenging it. As I said, if he stays with the Queen or his father, he has it anyway. However I guess he didn’t want to do this!

@KravMaga but this is a member of the RF. He is not some foreign dictator that has nothing to do with the UK.

@TizerorFizz

I don’t really care about what Andrew gets but it’s dancing on the top of a pin about who is funding what for him. The Queen probably. However he’s not going for Judicial Review over the decision is he? What matters is that Harry isn’t entitled to Armed Royal Protection either but is challenging it. As I said, if he stays with the Queen or his father, he has it anyway. However I guess he didn’t want to do this!

I guess Harry is not invited to stay with the Royal Family.

'He probably wants to come back for the Jubilee '

Oh let's hope not. It would then become The Harry Show with a load of cbs reporters trailing after him and no doubt follow up podcasts.

If he has any sense he will phone granny and say he wants it to be about her so he will keep a dignified distance.

From what I've read Andrew is still getting protection at the cost of £2m a year. But one source says not armed protection. It would be easier all round if Harry just stayed away.

HNRTT but suspect that one of the consequences being considered is that once a precedent is established for previously eligible individuals of being able to pay for close, armed protection by the police while in the UK which on the face of it knocks the affordability argument away is then to argue that if someone requires it for their safety then they should be provided it without payment in the UK then to reopen the discussion whether the UK should pay for overseas protection.

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@Viviennemary

From what I've read Andrew is still getting protection at the cost of £2m a year. But one source says not armed protection. It would be easier all round if Harry just stayed away.

That makes sense about Andrew. The Telegraph is very careful to say Andrew does not get armed protection now. Well Andrew has been hiding out on the Royal Estates for months, so maybe he doesn't actually need armed protection. If he does, he will get it.

The list of Royal Protection was in The Telegraph. I believe it to be accurate.

Except other sources are conflicting

I don’t really care about what Andrew gets but it’s dancing on the top of a pin about who is funding what for him.

in your opinion.

@Zilla1

HNRTT but suspect that one of the consequences being considered is that once a precedent is established for previously eligible individuals of being able to pay for close, armed protection by the police while in the UK which on the face of it knocks the affordability argument away is then to argue that if someone requires it for their safety then they should be provided it without payment in the UK then to reopen the discussion whether the UK should pay for overseas protection.

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Yes, I do get the precedent argument and the Judicial Review will consider that. But it would help if people stopped whipping up hate against Harry and Meghan. Who cares if he comes for the Jubilee or not? It is up to the Royal Family if they invite him or not. If the Queen wants him there, then he should come. If not, he wont be invited. Why do people have to get into a hate fest about a decision that should be the Queens alone?

He's right that his family have a right to be safe, of course.

What he's missing is that so does everyone else. There are estates in the UK where it's dangerous for the police to go. There are women who are at risk from their stalkers, their exes. There are kids in bad homes - other Arthur Labinjo-Hughes or Star Hobsons in the making.

There are not enough police for them. He says he is at enhanced risk. So was Star Hobson. So was Arthur. There was no private security team for them, inadequate intel or not. They couldn't go and stay with their father, who IS protected by that adequate intel.

Nope, he can fuck off. When the UK has even adequate policing for normal citizens, then privileged cry babies can pay for extras. Not before.