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The royal family

Harry to sue UK governmdnt

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Viviennemary · 15/01/2022 22:37

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding. Shock

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Roussette · 16/01/2022 09:04

here is no mention of any particular threats in the statement

It's called intel. Of course there wasn't.

SueSaid · 16/01/2022 09:07

'They won't be armed and they won't have the intel of what the current threats are'

Surely not. Are you telling me seriously current threats wouldn't be shared with private security teams??

Runforthehillocks · 16/01/2022 09:10

I think it's odd (churlish?) that despite offering to pay for the police protection in the UK, it has been refused. Obviously I don't know the full ins and outs, but if he's paying, then why not?

nottodaybatman · 16/01/2022 09:10

I still cannot get over the image of Andrew running to money in Balmoral to hide with all that RF protection to avoid being served from sex offenses while hanging out with a paedophile - and this self same family refusing to give harry protection on the way back to the airport after his mother's unveiling.

RF optics and priorities are something to behold

Roussette · 16/01/2022 09:10

Janiie Isn't that the whole thrust of his statement? He talks of 'police protection' which he will pay for.
Private security firms don't have access to Police and Mi5 intel.

Happy to be corrected if that's not the case, but having looked into it, that's what it seems to me.

nottodaybatman · 16/01/2022 09:10

Mummy not money*

Roussette · 16/01/2022 09:13

@nottodaybatman

I agree.
How many pics did we see of Andrew in his Range Rover with PPO's and one or more following up to Balmoral and back to Windsor more than once. There was a whole hoo ha about why did he need all these cars escorting him whilst he was dodging being served legal papers.

This is not good.

SueSaid · 16/01/2022 09:13

@Runforthehillocks

I think it's odd (churlish?) that despite offering to pay for the police protection in the UK, it has been refused. Obviously I don't know the full ins and outs, but if he's paying, then why not?
I do think it's odd. (Unless it's a way to keep him away..Grin)

But yes the last thing we need is anything happening to him in the UK.

dafey · 16/01/2022 09:13

This thread is becoming hysterically ludicrous. There is no mention of any particular threats in the statement.

Why would there be?

You don't believe he might be a target, fair enough. However I think he's also entitled to his view & it should probably carry more weight then yours.

sashagabadon · 16/01/2022 09:14

Also doesn’t it then require U.K. intelligence to pro actively monitor threats against them? Maybe they do already but it would put a legal requirement for them to do so constantly in case Harry wanted to pop over at any time.
Why should they agree to take this on constantly. I completely agree credible threats should be passed on to Harry’s own team to investigate and plan for but each threat each time would need looking at properly. There might be hundreds I have no idea.
That’s too much of an ask of U.K. police imo and is something Harry needs to organise himself rather than us the British taxpayer take on the risk.

LittleBearPad · 16/01/2022 09:15

@dafey

This thread is becoming hysterically ludicrous. There is no mention of any particular threats in the statement.

Why would there be?

You don't believe he might be a target, fair enough. However I think he's also entitled to his view & it should probably carry more weight then yours.

The Police don’t appear think he’s a target. They probably have the best view and are certainly entitled to it.
UniversalAunt · 16/01/2022 09:16

As @TizororFizz @KonTikki @mpsw & others have pointed out, his claim for Royal Protection (& therefore armed) security detail whilst on UK soil does not compute. He is no longer a working royal & if/when he comes here it will be a personal visit.

Royal Protection officers are highly specialised & few in number. Their availability is co-ordinated with the diaries of those due 24/7 cover & working royals carrying out formal duties, there is no spare capacity available for hire. Harry does not qualify for this type of security cover & no amount of his own money (TY Daddy) or judicial hissy fitting will magic up the personnel or even good will to cover his arse.

Harry wanted out, the T&Cs were discussed & negotiated & he as a sentient adult signed on the proverbial dotted line.

He can hire elite security, which he can well afford, whilst he is in the UK. They will not be armed as they might be on other sovereign soil. Harry will not be cruising the clubs or popping out to M&S whilst he is here, he will stay in secluded private residences & venture out to a few places, some public some private, which can be security swept in advance. Any risk to his personal safety can be carefully managed & mitigated.

FWIW, Ex President Obama’s daughter - surely a credible target for racist thugs, terrorists or a lone protagonist - lived quietly in central London & was papp’d going about her business. No need for an armed diplomatic detail, any security detail she had was discrete & at her own expense.

The request for a judicial review was lodged some time ago, maybe it’s come to the top of the list? Maybe it needs to be resolved in good time for the Jubilee, & by extension in due course the funeral of HMTQ & Charles’s Coronation?

Harry is now a private citizen.
He is no longer the ‘spare’ so not royal enough, nor is he a working royal out on official business, nor is he a visiting Head of State. So no specialist royal or diplomatic armed protection for him, he does not meet the criteria for this level of security cover.

He is fantastically rich & can afford the best private security teams available in the UK - some of whom did serve in the royal/diplomatic security services, they will be firearmed trained, but do not carry guns. If he wants to be here for the Jubilee, he needs to get his ginger finger out & book a crew soon. Somehow, I think this has already been done & the judicial review is a piece of vexatious cock waving. Another bit of attention seeking PR, self- aggrandising promotion.

No amount of Harry waving changes the course of Andrew’s downfall. Andrew has been an obnoxious entitled git who was a liability as a trade envoy.

Indeed at one point, Andrew has it all - dashing blade, handsome to some, Falklands war veteran, heads-over-heels romance with string woman, fairytale marriage, two lovely healthy children, breath of fresh air in the monarchy, didn’t take good advice, entitled boorish behaviours, arrogance, demanding spendthrift wife… sound vaguely familiar?

Harry would do well to take heed of Andrew’s fall from grace.

If this is all to much for him, then better he stays home.

Burritogame · 16/01/2022 09:16

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Roussette · 16/01/2022 09:17

sashagabadon

And how would he 'organise it himself' if intel is sensitive information and not passed on to a private security firm?

worriedatthemoment · 16/01/2022 09:19

@Closebrackets an event is a little different to providing one to one protection
For example football clubs pay towards policing for matches but the police are there to protect all and keep law and order not just one family or one person
When has a family or individual paid to have police protection ? Has that ever happened ?

StormzyinaTCup · 16/01/2022 09:19

I agree.
How many pics did we see of Andrew in his Range Rover with PPO's and one or more following up to Balmoral and back to Windsor more than once. There was a whole hoo ha about why did he need all these cars escorting him whilst he was dodging being served legal papers

Maybe there was intel on PA that made this a requirement? Would hardly be surprising.

Roussette · 16/01/2022 09:21

Some posters are very passionate about poor Megan but I never seen such passionate threads about Nazreen Radcliffe and her daughter

Do you know for a fact that posters are not passionate about this. I can assure you, I have tried my damndest to keep this travesty of justice alive and current elsewhere.
You cannot come on MN and assume no one cares.

Chilledchablis1 · 16/01/2022 09:22

@UniversalAunt

Excellent post

worriedatthemoment · 16/01/2022 09:22

@nottodaybatman how have the royal family leaked this ? If he is suing as stated then surely thats a matter for public record when he files ?

AllThePogs · 16/01/2022 09:24

@JaniieJones

'They won't be armed and they won't have the intel of what the current threats are'

Surely not. Are you telling me seriously current threats wouldn't be shared with private security teams??

No they wouldnt.
nottodaybatman · 16/01/2022 09:24

@LittleBearPad we don't know what the police think. We just know they will not share it with Harry's security team.

We also know that the RF for an official event will not get harry safely out of the country even if he pays

It probably suits the RF to not have an agreed protocol on security being paid for by those who step back. The reason Andrew has security at tax payer expense is because there are no actual rules. Security being taken from the sussexes because they stepped back was a choice.

It is a choice I agree with FYI
However the reason the RF and their back scratchers in the tabloids are pushing this incorrect narrative about harry is to distract from the choices the RF willing made to continue to spend taxpayer money to keep safe after 2019. They should all be paying for their security if that is the rule

Anyway this is a problem because the RF keep protecting the sex offender

dafey · 16/01/2022 09:24

The Police don’t appear think he’s a target.

How have you made that judgement?

dafey · 16/01/2022 09:25

get his ginger finger out & book a crew soon.

nice!

AllThePogs · 16/01/2022 09:26

A neo nazi was sentenced about a week ago for three years for a plot to kill Harry.
The press whip up an extreme level of hate against Harry and Meghan. Of course, there are extremists that will act on that.
Or did also those people who whip up hate online think that their hate had no consequences?

worriedatthemoment · 16/01/2022 09:27

@nottodaybatman but many of them do pay for security and only get it at taxpayers events if on royal family work , so he is being treated exactly the same as many in his family