Why is Andrew allegedly the Queen's "favourite son"?

[Stiffcondomhat]

I have read this a few times over the years and yesterday mentioned in most media outlets.
The Queen seems like a sensible sort with good judgement, and he has this reputation as a sleazy lazy twonk.
Of course I know from mn about the golden child syndrome who is actually pretty useless, but surely the Queen is above such things?
If anyone has any ideas on this I'd love to know because I'm stumped! (I'm also procrastinating because I'm on a deadline)

He was very handsome when younger, I do think he looks like the queen

Resemblance? Possibly, although it will never be known one way or another.

Courcheval - Those who knew the Queen personally have always said that her and Lord Porchester knew each other from when they were young children. They both shared a love of horses and were on the same wavelength but that was all. The Crown is fiction, although some of it is factually correct, she never went to America on her own with him which the programme depicts.

Princess Diana didn't meet James Hewitt until after Harry was born but there's still the rumour about his parentage.

[quote AllThePogs]@starlight13 Phillip had plenty of time for affairs. He went on foreign tours without the Queen.[/quote]
He was heavily in love with a penguin in the Antarctic but the penguin always denied that they did anything other than dance together. Can't you remember that bit in 'The Crown'?

@SantaHat

The whole Harry/Hewitt thing is particularly ridiculous considering Diana didn't even meet Hewitt until 2 years after Harry was born. Just shows what a shameless number the tabloids do on the general public.

Exactly! I also hadn't noticed Hewitt had brown eyes which makes it unlikely he's Harry's father too. I feel really sorry for him As he must be well aware people think this is true.

@upinaballoon nothing to do with the Crown. His tours were publicised at the time.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/historic-photo-shows-queen-philip-24015944

Duke spent four months at sea amid rumours their relationship was on the rocks. This was being said at the time. Some of us can remember this stuff, we don't need a TV drama to tell us.

In May 1969, the Queen and Porchie took a four-day fact-finding trip to France and America to investigate various stables and studs. That same year, she appointed him as her racing manager, a position he held until his death in 2001.

AllThePogs - If it's in The Mirror then it must be true! 🤔

The Queen and Porchester went to Normandy in 1967 but his wife accompanied them on the trip too, but they did not go to America despite what the newspapers reported.

@UserBot314159

Whatever you think of W&K their children have a better chance of being emotionally healthy and self-aware than previous generations.

Parents still together, communicating, very loving to them and not abandoning them to go on world tours, but aware of pitfalls of being the spare, same nanny since the start.

I'd say William is a bit repressed though. And Harry is the one who is sick of being labelled emotional and they trigger each other. William is triggered by Harry feeeeeeling everything so deeply and Harry is triggered by William's robotic get on with it modus operandi

but how the hell would I know anything.

Poor things are dressed like 1940s throwbacks, are taken by their dad to fields where birds are blown out of the sky for fun, and are then made to stand on balconies to develop a cast-iron superiority complex.

While their parents give up their jobs to scrounge off the taxpayer, drive gas guzzlers and preach to the plebs about saving the planet.

Emotionally healthy? Even if they do grow up self-aware and decide to leave the Firm, their chances of a normal life are close to zero.

[quote AllThePogs]@upinaballoon nothing to do with the Crown. His tours were publicised at the time.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/historic-photo-shows-queen-philip-24015944

Duke spent four months at sea amid rumours their relationship was on the rocks. This was being said at the time. Some of us can remember this stuff, we don't need a TV drama to tell us.[/quote]
I'm over 70. I remember PM saying she wouldn't marry PT, and my mother and aunts talking about it. I remember the headlines - Come home, Phil, Liz misses you, when PP went on that long trip. I think he grew a beard. I imagine he had an enjoyable time at sea for a while. He was a sailor. I think he went to the south seas, i.e. Antarctica and I'll google it later. I'm being sarcastic about The Crown. I agree with you that some of us don't need a TV drama to tell us things. Big word coming up - I think it is regrettable that some youngish people in the UK and the US have seen The Crown and think that tells them exactly how things were. I think they should also look for real footage taken at the time if they want to see how things were and ask their parents, grandparents etc.

There have been so many rumours for all of my life about PP having affairs. He did indeed belong to a club of fellows who met and dined and drank and he danced with an actress called Pat Kirkwood. Of course there were rumours. She said they didn't have an affair. So I was taking the mickey out of all of the rumours and 70 years of headlines and The Crown.

Re Prince Charles and Princess Anne being left with nannies while the Queen and the Duke went on that big world tour, well they were, but they also had the Queen Mother and Aunt Margot here. (PM) Charles was always very close to the Queen Mother and I can understand why. She was here for him when his mother was inundated with her new role, which hasn't answered the op question at all.

[quote AllThePogs]@JudgeJ It was planned? By who?
It is quite clear that Edward and Sophie are lobbying for them and their children to play a far bigger role in the Royal family.

Personally, I don't care. But I do hope they are unsuccessful in lobbying for Louise to play a bigger role. I think with her eye squint she will face a hard time in the public eye and she is too young to face that kind of vile criticism.[/quote]
I'm sure that it was said during one of the many Jubilees etc that Edward would take the title of D of E after his father's death, .he has taken over the running of the D of E award scheme. More recently it's been said that the redistribution of titles will take place once Charles is King, so maybe he's just having to wait a while

@UserBot314159

Whatever you think of W&K their children have a better chance of being emotionally healthy and self-aware than previous generations.

Parents still together, communicating, very loving to them and not abandoning them to go on world tours, but aware of pitfalls of being the spare, same nanny since the start.

I'd say William is a bit repressed though. And Harry is the one who is sick of being labelled emotional and they trigger each other. William is triggered by Harry feeeeeeling everything so deeply and Harry is triggered by William's robotic get on with it modus operandi

but how the hell would I know anything.

Off topic, but I agree, UserBot. I think William has learnt to repress his emotions and present a stiff upper lip to the world. Luckily, he’s married someone from a supportive family and he can probably relax and be himself with them-doesn’t he call Michael Middleton “Dad?” I think I read that somewhere. So he’s got a safety valve and has learnt to be a supportive and loving parent himself- and Dian’s example paved the way too. I agree that their family unit has a reasonable chance of turning out OK.

I like Anne - no nonsense and her kids seem pretty grounded. Zara seems lovely.

Both of Anne’s children shamelessly milk (literally, in Peter Phillips’ case…check out his Chinese TV ad) their royal connections. Neither of them are smart or educated and yet well-paid, prestigious jobs are created for them. How is that ‘grounded’?

I find Zara one of the most obnoxious of the lot. Dumb as a bag of rocks with a smarmy horsy grin. Ugh.

@Justkeeppedaling

queenie strikes me a pretty cold mum, she seems to actively dislike Charles and wants to keep of the throne as long as possible, out of spite

She can't exactly make herself die.
Unless you're advocating suicide?

They are a long living family.

She is ancient, she should have passed the throne onto him at least a decade ago. I reckon she doesn’t trust him with it because she doesn’t really rate him.

@upinaballoon

Re Prince Charles and Princess Anne being left with nannies while the Queen and the Duke went on that big world tour, well they were, but they also had the Queen Mother and Aunt Margot here. (PM) Charles was always very close to the Queen Mother and I can understand why. She was here for him when his mother was inundated with her new role, which hasn't answered the op question at all.

Didn't most mothers of the queen's social class have rather little to do with the day to day raising of their children in those days? Wasn't it the norm for the children to spend most of their time with nannies, with the boys, and sometimes the girls too, sent to boarding school at a young age? Obviously most mums didn't have the queen's responsibilities, but I'm not sure her parenting would have been considered that unusual among upper-class families of the day.

She is ancient, she should have passed the throne onto him at least a decade ago. I reckon she doesn’t trust him with it because she doesn’t really rate him as long as she's capable, why should anyone be forced to give up their job so someone else can have a go? She's always made it clear she didn't agree with abdication, so she shouldn't be forced to because it's his turn now. It's not the swings at the park. Get off Lizzie, Charlie wants a go!

I find Zara one of the most obnoxious of the lot. Dumb as a bag of rocks with a smarmy horsy grin. Ugh
What's Zara done that's so bad!!

She is ancient, she should have passed the throne onto him at least a decade ago. I reckon she doesn’t trust him with it because she doesn’t really rate him.

That’s really, really not how it works.

Yes,IcedPurple, I agree with your comment about my comment. I know the footage where PC shakes his mother's hand, but it was a more undemonstrative world then, not only in her family. She simply wouldn't have ignored all about her and swept him up into a great embrace, leaving Anne standing, so she has had to be judged as a cold mother.

@HeadNorth "She is ancient, she should have passed the throne onto him at least a decade ago. I reckon she doesn’t trust him with it because she doesn’t really rate him"

Lol, of course, that's exactly how the monarchy has worked for last 300+ years 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@sadpapercourtesan

I find Zara one of the most obnoxious of the lot. Dumb as a bag of rocks with a smarmy horsy grin. Ugh.

Zara may be the queen's granddaughter but she's not really counted as the royal family.

What's Zara done? She seems like a decent sort to me 🤷‍♀️

I'm sure that it was said during one of the many Jubilees etc that Edward would take the title of D of E after his father's death, .he has taken over the running of the D of E award scheme. More recently it's been said that the redistribution of titles will take place once Charles is King, so maybe he's just having to wait a while

It was always going to be after Charles was King. Philip's titles automaticaly passed to Charles when he died. When Charles becomes King all of his other titles merge with the Crown and become free for use again. At that point it can be given to Edward, but not before.

@upinaballoon

Yes,IcedPurple, I agree with your comment about my comment. I know the footage where PC shakes his mother's hand, but it was a more undemonstrative world then, not only in her family. She simply wouldn't have ignored all about her and swept him up into a great embrace, leaving Anne standing, so she has had to be judged as a cold mother.

It was heavily criticised at the time. Most mothers especially were wtf.