Prince Andrew Thread 3

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Here is the previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4443261-Prince-Andrew-Thread-2?watched=1&msgid=114083283#114083283

She joined the ATS when she was 18. So she wasn't in for that long. Not her fault of course as she was a child during most of WW2. She drove trucks and helped fix them. She was never in any personal danger, and her and her sister were evacuated to Windsor from London on the outbreak of war.

@RoyalFamilyFan

She joined the ATS when she was 18. So she wasn't in for that long. Not her fault of course as she was a child during most of WW2. She drove trucks and helped fix them. She was never in any personal danger, and her and her sister were evacuated to Windsor from London on the outbreak of war.

@RoyalFamilyFan - I do get your point about rewriting of history where the RF are concerned but I think you are being a bit harsh on the Queen where WW2 is concerned. She did her bit as a lot of girls her age did, I think it’s a bit off to be dismissive of that as being not enough because she wasn’t in any danger. We are going off on a bit of a tangent though with this.

I am not dismissing it, she could have done nothing. But I think people forget she was a child for most of the war. So when I say there was for sometime a lot of public unhappiness with the RF, that was aimed at the Queen Mother And George.

You'd need to dig hard into the archives and read between the lines, but a lot of the "Royal Family stayed put during the war" narrative seems to obscure the fact that other nations were sounded out about taking the royals (after all, what is the point of having a fucking empire if you can't squirrel a few entitled nobs around it somewhere). In the absence of proof to the contrary it's easy to believe there was a combination of some countries not wanting them and serious concerns about their security outside the UK.

So easy that I do ...

big page announcement of queen's jubilee proceedings etc today.

not ranfom timing I suppose. look, a cute puppy

@SerendipityJane

You'd need to dig hard into the archives and read between the lines, but a lot of the "Royal Family stayed put during the war" narrative seems to obscure the fact that other nations were sounded out about taking the royals (after all, what is the point of having a fucking empire if you can't squirrel a few entitled nobs around it somewhere). In the absence of proof to the contrary it's easy to believe there was a combination of some countries not wanting them and serious concerns about their security outside the UK.

So easy that I do ...

That is interesting, thanks.

However hard you try, you cant scrub things totally off the internet forever

Precisely, RoyalFamilyFan, and as said there's so much that it wouldn't be possible anyway

Also agree about the injunctions, though personally I'm more interested in Fawcett and the attempt to hide exactly who he was sexually involved with via a super injunction
That said, by the time Michael Peat had "explained" things at length it was pretty clear who it was - but perhaps we're expected to forget that too?

Oh I missed that about Michael Peat.

Here you go, RoyalFamilyFan: www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/07/privacy.themonarchy

As said, the key point here is that the injunction meant we weren't supposed to know who the allegations concerned - at least, not until Peat started blabbing in yet another PR fail
Interesting too that he's yet another casualty of employment by the Prince, who appears to get through a disproportionate number of staff

That is funny really. Yes, you are right if anyone was in any doubt, it just confirms it.
The only thing they can rely on now is that people forget. That is why they hate The Crown so much.

Wow, didn’t realise all this was happening 😯.

But I must say @RoyalFamilyFan I wouldn’t believe everything The Crown depicts, I highly doubt that it will be a 100% accurate. I wouldn’t like my family history portrayed for the entertainment of the masses and people just assuming things of me just by watching something on TV.

@WatchMyChops I am not saying everything is 100% accurate, the scenes are made up and some details are incorrect. But it is generally true.

And in The Crown, the RF got off lightly with Lord Mountbatten. That part could have been much more shocking.

If Andrew did get stripped of his titles (not by his mum, possibly, but by his brother), would he still be entitled to style himself Andrew, Duke of York in the way Sarah Ferguson still does?

@RoyalFamilyFan

And in The Crown, the RF got off lightly with Lord Mountbatten. That part could have been much more shocking.

Of course Mountbatten is the reason India and Pakistan aren't such ardent fans of the the artists-formerly-known-as-Saxe-Coburgs* either.

theconversation.com/how-a-british-royals-monumental-errors-made-indias-partition-more-painful-81657

for example.

Again - we aren't supposed to know that.

*Windsors to us plebians.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

If Andrew did get stripped of his titles (not by his mum, possibly, but by his brother), would he still be entitled to style himself Andrew, Duke of York in the way Sarah Ferguson still does?

Depends. Would he still have 10,000 men ?

Ha! That's his business.

"FBI files on Prince Charles' uncle Lord Mountbatten, killed by an IRA bomb 41 years ago, describe him as "homosexual with a perversion for young boys.""

www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/lord-mountbatten-pedophile-allegations

And they are still suppressing the truth.

"The Cabinet Office has been accused of a “grotesque abuse” of public funds in a freedom of information battle over the personal diaries of Lord and Lady Mountbatten in which costs are now expected to exceed £600,000.

Andrew Lownie, the author and historian, has fought a four-year legal battle over the papers that are in an archive saved for the nation after a fundraising campaign. They are now held at Southampton University.

The university initially blocked the release of the diaries and correspondence between the Mountbattens covering historical events from the abdication of Edward VIII to the independence of India, after seeking advice from the Cabinet Office."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/07/anger-over-grotesque-abuse-of-600000-case-to-keep-mountbatten-papers-secret

So don't let anyone tell you The Crown is a hatchet job. It is way kinder to the Royals than the full truth.

"FBI files on Prince Charles' uncle Lord Mountbatten, killed by an IRA bomb 41 years ago, describe him as "homosexual with a perversion for young boys.""

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys%27_Home

Worth a read.

@PlanktonsComputerWife

If Andrew did get stripped of his titles (not by his mum, possibly, but by his brother), would he still be entitled to style himself Andrew, Duke of York in the way Sarah Ferguson still does?

I don't think so, because if he was stripped of the title (his dukedom) he'd be stripped of it. That may required parliamentary approval - the monarch can grant titles according to precedent but cannot just remove them. Though I think the crown can just remove the style of HRHs on own say so. In which case he'd be the His Grace, the Duke of York, just like how other non-royal dukes are referred to.

Divorced wives and what titles and styles they have is not really relevant here as that's part of the divorce arrangements, and the keeping of the married form (unless/until they remarry) isn't the same as being disgraced.

Surely they wouldn't allow "His Grace". Headline writers would have a field day (Dis-)

Posters may need to wary (or outside the UK)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9806517/Journalists-face-14-years-prison-embarrassing-Government-proposed-law-change.html

Surely they wouldn't allow "His Grace". Headline writers would have a field day (Dis-)
That would be so funny. I don't think the Queen will strip him of his royal titles but maybe the military ones . She seems to do whatever he says , his daughters were given HRH titles on his say so weren't they ?

@SerendipityJane , great, so they can do what the bloody hell they like and no one can call them out on it ! These things are in the public interest ffs .