BBC The Princes and the Press

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Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

rubics. how exactly has the british government propped up the british media? those quotes are in relation to people buying a paper??

Here you go.... court filings...

The filing cites another text message sent by Meghan on May 15 asking which hospital Mr. Markle was being treated at: “I’ve been reaching out to you all weekend but you’re not taking any of our calls or replying to any texts… Very concerned about your health and safety and have taken every measure to protect you but not sure what more we can do if you don’t respond…Do you need help? Can we send the security team down again? I’m very sorry to hear you’re in the hospital but need you to please get in touch with us… What hospital are you at?”

According to the documents, the Duchess followed up with another message saying she and Harry were “dispatching the same security guys you turned away this weekend to be a presence on the ground to make sure you’re safe,” but that Mr. Markle refused the offer of security. The court filing says that Harry “pleaded with Mr. Markle to let them help him.”

@Roussette

Here you go.... court filings...

The filing cites another text message sent by Meghan on May 15 asking which hospital Mr. Markle was being treated at: “I’ve been reaching out to you all weekend but you’re not taking any of our calls or replying to any texts… Very concerned about your health and safety and have taken every measure to protect you but not sure what more we can do if you don’t respond…Do you need help? Can we send the security team down again? I’m very sorry to hear you’re in the hospital but need you to please get in touch with us… What hospital are you at?”

According to the documents, the Duchess followed up with another message saying she and Harry were “dispatching the same security guys you turned away this weekend to be a presence on the ground to make sure you’re safe,” but that Mr. Markle refused the offer of security. The court filing says that Harry “pleaded with Mr. Markle to let them help him.”

I don't text like that. Do you? Those texts are for another audience don't you think?

If the court case had gone ahead with Burrell, there would undoubtedly have been details about the RF that would have come out in court. That is what happens in any trial.

So now she doesn't text the way people think she should?

FFS Derxa, I give up.

She did not know at that point these texts would be part of a court case. Yet you are now saying that she crafted them with the idea that three and a half years later, they would be public.

Ridiculous and pathetic assertion that really does you no favours.

The way she texts is wrong now.

I don't text like that. Do you? Those texts are for another audience don't you think

It reminds me of the advice given to women with difficult ex husbands - always message as if a judge is reading.

She knew he would make trouble.

I don't text like that. Do you? Those texts are for another audience don't you think?

Oh come off it.

Yes, I might well text like that if I was concerned about someone or trying to get through to a family member who was behaving erratically.

How in god's name can anyone say that a person should text their father in a certain way. Different people have different relationships, different ways of communicating with family.

For instance... how I text my brother is completly different to how I text my sister. And those two ways of texting are completely different to how I text my friends.

I think I've heard it all now. Meghan doesn't text right

@PicsInRed

I don't text like that. Do you? Those texts are for another audience don't you think

It reminds me of the advice given to women with difficult ex husbands - always message as if a judge is reading.

She knew he would make trouble.

You've got the gist of what I mean

But what about the content derxa? Are you now prepared to say she wasn't treating him badly before the wedding?

There's plenty more I can copy and paste at how much they tried to help him if you want. More texts, more detail.

I think I've heard it all now. Meghan doesn't textright

I love how quickly it went from Meghan treated him cruelly to 'well that can't possibly be genuine'.

The gist is... he was a complete loose cannon just before the wedding. They were trying to contain a situation. They offered help. They tried endlessly to ring him. He wouldn't pick up.

He instead arranged for a photographer to take shots of him trying on suits and sat in coffee shops reading GB tourist books, which he then sold on to the DM. He ignored them. When he had a supposed heart problem, Meghan had to read it from a newspaper, as he'd sold the story to them.

I'm sure I'd be careful what I said in a text if my father was selling me down the river. But that does not take away from the fact they were trying to help him.

I think I've heard it all now. Meghan doesn't text right I didn't say she and Harry didn't text right. Every communication we make has an intent with respect to the receiver. From a toddler lying on the ground screaming to a very formal speech addressed to academics.

I love how quickly it went from Meghan treated him cruelly to 'well that can't possibly be genuine'

Exactly. I know from previous threads, you prove that something is wrong with hard evidence (court documents) and still there's no acceptance of the proof. But instead, she texts wrong 😂
Heard it all before on MN!!!

I'll leave you to your point derxa because I have absolutely no idea what it is anymore.

had a supposed heart problem, I've never understood this. Why would he make up a heart problem?

I felt very sorry for a man who was expected to turn up for the Royal Wedding of his daughter yet he hadn’t even met the groom.

Well... why would he not tell his daughter or any of his family but instead contact a tabloid to break the story of a heart problem?
I believe he had a stent fitted, I know of that procedure.

@rubicscubicle

Did you not listen to the £350 billion speech from Sunak last year. A huge chunk was assigned to the British media. I remember because a lot of people complained that they are too useless to bail out.

I don't think the DM will tell it's readers about it, I suppose.

Most notably it was the sun that seemed to be in dire straights. So their information was easier to find.
But here are some quick links to give you an idea of losses. Don't have time to trawl the internet for you, you can well find bad things about MM, and conveniently can never when it's others

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/28/daily-mail-owner-print-advertising-revenues-plunge-by-70-per-cent-dmgt-covid-19

On here they reference how lawsuits take a huge chunk out of papers.

www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/11/rupert-murdoch-writes-down-value-of-sun-newspapers-to-zero

I don't follow the df, but I linked the message that was being tweeted a lot last year by rag reporters.

You clearly did not listen to the speech. Sunak did not mention the media at all. The chunk assigned to the British media was a big round number - nothing. The bulk of the package was loan guarantees for businesses that needed cash to pay rent, salaries or suppliers, or purchase stock. The media were not precluded from applying for loan guarantees, but no part of the package was reserved for them. There is no published list of which organisations benefited but the information that is available suggests that little, if any, of the money went to the media.

In amongst the coverage I think there was evidence provided to the court that MM said she wasn't prepared to visit her father herself, and that such a suggestion was "unrealistic". Don't know why she thought that. Maybe she was busy planning the wedding and whatnot. Whatever, it struck me as odd. On the one hand she says her heart was broken into a million pieces by whatever it was he did to upset her; on the other hand, visiting her dad in hospital after he's had a heart attack and lives alone is "unrealistic". That she was in London and he in New Mexico is really no big deal; even I shuttle between the US and the UK (pre-covid, of course) as easily as I do intra-Europe. I've travelled to the UK on a day's notice, leaving two children behind and with no standing childcare, when a parent was admitted to hospital for emergency knee surgery and nobody else was available to care for them when they got out. In fact, didn't MM go from London to NY to watch a tennis match over a weekend? New Mexico is further, sure. But dad in hospital versus watching the tennis...

It's about priorities. Every party's priorities in this drama are suspect, imo.

@Roussette

The gist is... he was a complete loose cannon just before the wedding. They were trying to contain a situation. They offered help. They tried endlessly to ring him. He wouldn't pick up.

He instead arranged for a photographer to take shots of him trying on suits and sat in coffee shops reading GB tourist books, which he then sold on to the DM. He ignored them. When he had a supposed heart problem, Meghan had to read it from a newspaper, as he'd sold the story to them.

I'm sure I'd be careful what I said in a text if my father was selling me down the river. But that does not take away from the fact they were trying to help him.

Quite.

I'm sure Doria will never talk, but it would be illuminating to find out what it was like being married to such a man and whether his control and manipulation issues were what led to Meghan living with him whilst she attended private school.

I think Meghan finally figured Thomas' character out as an adult, and that's why she's closer to her mother now, and why her earlier comments about him don't match her later statements - or his egregious behaviour.

I think If Meghan and Harry had reached out to Thomas Markle before getting engaged the sh*tstorm that later ensued might not have happened.

It was all very strange indeed. Why did Thomas Markle not meet Harry before the wedding. And why did Thomas Markle not get an official wedding invitation. Maybe its none of our business but there is certainly a story behind this.

I can only assume that Meghan knows her father better than any of us do and had her reasons for acting as she did.