BBC The Princes and the Press

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Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

As soon as Harry and Meghan knew they were serious conversations should have been had with all the interested parties. Possibly even involving NDA at that stage. Long before the engagement or wedding plans . I know a lot of people dislike William on this thread but he absolutely made sure that the Middletons knew as well as Kate what to expect from the media and he made it very clear to the press and to them that he had their back.

And @derxa I agree about the texts , I have had some training in a related field and they are absolutely written to be produced as future evidence. They are full of statements , ‘we have done this’ and ‘we have done that’ and ‘you have responded’ like this etc. We don’t actually know that they had done any of these things, there is only their word. I could text my mother and say ‘I flew you to the moon last week’ it doesn’t mean it happened and in general conversation there is no need to continually reinforce what has previously happened because the other party knows what has happened.

I visited my father yesterday, I did not text him this morning to say ‘I visited you yesterday’ but if I thought my actions might be questioned in future then I might..

@LadyEloise1

I think If Meghan and Harry had reached out to Thomas Markle before getting engaged the sh*tstorm that later ensued might not have happened.

Just as you cannot definitively negotiate with terrorists, one cannot ever placate an abusive man.

His demands will never ease, his bag of resentments will never empty.

Do we actually know they never met? I can understand not going to Mexico but LA or Canada where Meghan was living could have worked. Maybe they did meet, I'm not sure if it's been confirmed they didn't? After the engagement, no but before that? I don't know what the truth is but just wondering if this is a case of speculation being taken as fact.

@Viviennemary

It was all very strange indeed. Why did Thomas Markle not meet Harry before the wedding. And why did Thomas Markle not get an official wedding invitation. Maybe its none of our business but there is certainly a story behind this.

The original intention was that he would attend, meet Harry and the family before the wedding and walk his daughter down the aisle. He pulled out after he had a heart attack. He later said he wanted to attend but his doctors would not allow him to travel. By this time, he had already posed for staged pictures for the paparazzi and lied to Harry about it - a move which would not have helped his relationship with his daughter. All this information is in the public domain.

@Peaseblossum22

As soon as Harry and Meghan knew they were serious conversations should have been had with all the interested parties. Possibly even involving NDA at that stage. Long before the engagement or wedding plans . I know a lot of people dislike William on this thread but he absolutely made sure that the Middletons knew as well as Kate what to expect from the media and he made it very clear to the press and to them that he had their back.

And @derxa I agree about the texts , I have had some training in a related field and they are absolutely written to be produced as future evidence. They are full of statements , ‘we have done this’ and ‘we have done that’ and ‘you have responded’ like this etc. We don’t actually know that they had done any of these things, there is only their word. I could text my mother and say ‘I flew you to the moon last week’ it doesn’t mean it happened and in general conversation there is no need to continually reinforce what has previously happened because the other party knows what has happened.

I visited my father yesterday, I did not text him this morning to say ‘I visited you yesterday’ but if I thought my actions might be questioned in future then I might..

All of the above 👍

I think very few people would be happy to only meet the person their child was going to marry just days before the wedding and the mention of the heart attack TM had is conveniently used by people to take away from the fact that he hadn’t met Harry at all.

To have your son in law pressure you to do all sorts of things from a distance by text when you haven’t even met him is a bit odd. You can’t blame Thomas for feeling very uneasy and out of his comfort zone. I think Megan was extremely insensitive to his needs at the time.

@Toomanyscentedcandles

To have your son in law pressure you to do all sorts of things from a distance by text when you haven’t even met him is a bit odd. You can’t blame Thomas for feeling very uneasy and out of his comfort zone. I think Megan was extremely insensitive to his needs at the time.

I’d have told anyone who tried to pull that stunt in my family to get on their bike. My child would be told no way is an introduction not happening and if you won’t tell your partner that I will.

Me too

You seem to have come across the breakdown of the bailout budget, where you came across a big fat zero for the media. Can you link it please.

The papers were covered under the Culture banner, with other creative industries like theatres, film, music etc. Media was mentioned. Maybe you can link up to what are the specific of the Culture and Employee bailout sections were.

They tapped in on the furlough scheme and fall under the employee bailout
www.societyofeditors.org/soe_news/growing-number-of-journalists-on-furlough/

The papers came begging.
bylinetimes.com/2020/04/08/exploiting-a-pandemic-billionaire-press-owners-want-your-tax-money/

At some point it was seen as an underhanded way of bailing them out with the government being their main 'client'.

digiday.com/media/the-government-is-becoming-u-k-news-publishers-most-important-client/

@SallyLockheart

rubics. how exactly has the british government propped up the british media? those quotes are in relation to people buying a paper??

If you look at previous posts on the subject, I was telling the poster that they do not have money to lose on lawsuits.

@PicsInRed
"....... one cannot ever placate an abusive man......."

I hadn't realised that he had been abusive to Meghan prior to her meeting Harry.

visiting her dad in hospital after he's had a heart attack and lives alone is "unrealistic".

Thomas was went to hospital for a stent fit. A procedure that can take as little as half an hour in a stent theatre and you can recover within hours. He showed his hospital papers, and he was kept overnight for observation. In the meantime, he was ghosting Meghan, so she could not have known in the time he was in hospital. Shortly after he was stuffing his face with MacDonalds.

The speech announcing the scheme is at www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-of-the-exchequer-rishi-sunak-on-covid19-response. Culture and media are not mentioned at all.

You won't find a budget showing zero for the media for the simple reason that there was no budget for any individual sector. It didn't work like that.

I did not say that media organisations didn't get anything but there was nothing reserved for them. Of course they got support from the furlough scheme and may have got support in other ways. But your statement that "a huge chunk" of the £350 billion was assigned to the British media in Sunak's speech is plainly wrong.

The Byline Times article does not support your thesis either. It claims that the newspapers were trying to get public money to support their businesses. It does not claim that any of them succeeded. Not that I would trust them as a reliable source anyway given their clear political agenda.

My dad had heart surgery. He was in and out before I could have physically travelled there in Britain.

@Aspiringmatriarch

Do we actually know they never met? I can understand not going to Mexico but LA or Canada where Meghan was living could have worked. Maybe they did meet, I'm not sure if it's been confirmed they didn't? After the engagement, no but before that? I don't know what the truth is but just wondering if this is a case of speculation being taken as fact.

It's unsubstantiated by reliable sources, but apparently he was invited for a meet up several time, but made excuses not to meet Harry. He was even invited to the (Invictus I think). Doria was fine.

It's laughable that people are holding TM as a fine figure of a father. If MM had posted on Stately Homes with just a fraction of what he's done, they would say 'go NC'.

How could she go and visit him in hospital when she didn't even know about the op? As soon as she read it in the papers, she contacted him. He ignored her. She asked which hospital he was at. He ignored her. And so on...

But hey ho he gets a lot of support on here. Bizarre.

Not that I would trust them as a reliable source anyway given their clear political agenda.

Not your political agenda you mean.

Byline, does not rely on advertising and clicks. They are the most honest newsagent you will find out there.

btw, what you linked is not the Covid bailout speech, which was where Boris usually gives his Covid updates, and it was much ,much longer than than one page you linked. And had more details.

I was asking you for the breakdown of who in the media sector was getting money and how much.
British newspapers are general liars, so they would not print that info nilly willy.

I've seen a few comments on here describing Thomas Markle as an abuser. What's the timeline of these allegations and where is the evidence?

It's laughable that people are holding TM as a fine figure of a father. I don't think he is at all. He seems like a flawed quite weak man treated very shabbily by two arrogant people. But then the Royal Family have form for treating the in laws with contempt. Mark Phillips' mother complained about this and they were very discreet people in general

could text my mother and say ‘I flew you to the moon last week’ it doesn’t mean it happened and in general conversation there is no need to continually reinforce what has previously happened because the other party knows what has happened.

I visited my father yesterday, I did not text him this morning to say ‘I visited you yesterday’ but if I thought my actions might be questioned in future then I might.

Thomas has been going around giving numerous interviews, why did he not show or say what his response was or say that they never did any of these things.

Maybe, they wondering why he is acting like nothing happened and thought they should remind him. maybe these logistics are arranged by a third party and they may have been asking themselves - did he actually not get this support we authorised at some point? was there some kind of communication breakdown.
I did not find it odd to affirm what took place.

If you want a breakdown by sector, you will find it at researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8938/CBP-8938.pdf on page 9. This reveals that less than £75 billion of loans were actually offered with less than £2 billion going to arts, entertainment and recreation. which is the sector that I believe includes the press. Even this doesn't prove that the press actually got anything.

The Middletons were treated appallingly with the doors to manual jokes by his friends.
No way would I have allowed my friends to make snobby disgusting jokes like that.

'He seems like a flawed quite weak man treated very shabbily by two arrogant people.'

Yes and it was all very predictable wasn't it, well to us not the celeb chasing Sussexes. They should have made it a priority that he was in the loop from the start, included, that they'd been to see him instead of having jolly japes with Eugenie at Halloween. He seems a weak man as you say hurt and lashing out. Much like H himself, ironically enough. They could maybe bond over the chips on their shoulders.