BBC The Princes and the Press

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Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

It’s not supposition. That was the whole tone of the Oprah interview. I’m sure it’s not just Harry who has a grudge. She’s clearly put out that Archie doesn’t have a title, despite despising the whole ‘institution’.

'It’s not supposition. That was the whole tone of the Oprah interview. I’m sure it’s not just Harry who has a grudge'

Yes how odd to say it is 'supposition' when we have Finding Freedom The Revenge and OW as actual evidence 🙄.

@Toomanyscentedcandles

It’s not supposition. That was the whole tone of the Oprah interview. I’m sure it’s not just Harry who has a grudge. She’s clearly put out that Archie doesn’t have a title, despite despising the whole ‘institution’.

The status of a royal child is tied in with the amount of protection, PR backing and the level of financial provision they receive from."the firm. MM was legitimately concerned for her son's safety. Especially after she herself had been subject to such biaised and vitriolic press harassment. Money provides privacy in these circumstances.

And I think it's unfair to criticise her for being concerned about finances. It's only rich blue blooded folk who can afford to be laissez faire about that! MM has had to graft all of her life, and what is wrong with that?

She ain’t grafting now though. That’s due to her marriage.

Yes how odd to say it is 'supposition' when we have Finding Freedom The Revenge and OW as actual evidence 🙄.

They weren't just about money though were they? They were also about putting their pov out there.

@Toomanyscentedcandles

It’s not supposition. That was the whole tone of the Oprah interview. I’m sure it’s not just Harry who has a grudge. She’s clearly put out that Archie doesn’t have a title, despite despising the whole ‘institution’.

They could use the Earl of Dumbarton, surely? Also Lord Archie. Lady Lilibet. I don't understand why they don't.

Yes so is TM. His point of view is to give public interviews and make veiled threats. That’s what M is doing.

Janiie I said (if you care to read it) that it's supposition that she thinks she is 'owed' by the Royal Family, but hey don't let that get in the way of your spin.

Did she sit in that interview and say the RF owe me like her father did? No.

Where is Meghan threatening anyone?

I think that was the inference in that interview, yes. The FF book is a exercise in getting even.

@Roussette

Where is Meghan threatening anyone?

The threat is ‘look what I can do to embarrass you’.

Your opinion on that one. I don't see threatening behaviour at all.

Personally I think they're getting on with their lives and very happy.

They also did lay out their manifesto, telling us of their intention to carve out a progressive new role in the institution while also generating a private income from their activities, which they then were told they could not do. They have had to pivot from their original plans as part of that - Harry said in the Oprah interview that the Netflix and the Spotify deals were never part of the plan, they were just things they had to do to earn the money to pay for their security after Prince Charles cut them off.

It would be odd indeed for them to not feel some human annoyance that they could not put their grand plan into effect as they wished, and it’s certainly possible to see some of their subsequent actions as, at best, sticking something up in the direction of the rest of the Windsors. I do hope that they have ended up happy with where they are now, though.

Was there an American declaration of independence which said something about 'the pursuit of happiness'? I met someone in the USA who was on the fourth spouse, pursuing happiness I expect. No, I'm not applying that in my mind to H and M.
I've sometimes thought that in the UK we are spared the pressure of pursuing happiness because we don't have those words. I heard that happiness was something that crept up on you and sat on your shoulder when you were busy doing something completely different.
Talking of something completely different.........-.........

Interesting upinaballon I agree. A different mindset maybe over in the US, and I'm not knocking the country, it's just different

On the thread about the Maxwell trial, that is typified with some recent posts on there.

@Roussette is there a thread about the trial? Can you link it? I've only seen a thread in the royal family section but it hasn't got very many posts.

Hi @AnnunciataZ

Yes, there's this one. Fairly slow but the trial is lasting for 6 weeks or so

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4415995-ghislaine-maxwell-trial

Thanks!

@BringBackThinEyebrows
meanwhile, my violent parent was described as a 'loving father').
you know full well this is not what I meant and I explained what I should have wrote in my later post - I should have wrote a father and not your father but if ignoring my correction and only highlighting the first error gives you some satisfaction and helps to puff up your point then continue.

I was going to ignore your response that you were not talking to me but while I'm here I will address it. This is a public forum and discussion amongst many - just because you @ somebody doesn't mean others cannot join in and respond. If you specifically don't want a response from anyone else then write that on the post or better still private message them. I have often @ pp and received a reply from others - that is usually what happens on public forums!

It’s strange there was never any public mention of her mother before she met Harry. Never a word.
I think her whole life is manipulated for media consumption. It’s what she does and what she knows. Perhaps objective truth does not come into things generally.

Meghan has mentioned her
Mother in the past - I'm not sure if you remember her reflecting back on when she was a child and was asked to tick a box for her racial identity- there was not a box for biracial - her teacher said she should to tick white and she felt uncomfortable with this as it would deny her mother - her father told her to draw her own box - which she did:
Also here is a link that mentioned her mother as well as picture in 2015 before Harry and when she was carving out her acting career.

www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a19991645/meghan-markle-mom-doria-ragland/

I don't think she was hiding her mother - Maybe Doria is a private person and prefers not to be splashed across SM. Even now Doria apparently spends a lot of time with them and we don't hear much of her or what she is doing - we hear more of Tom.

Doria seems a private person. Maybe Meghan is just respecting that.

I don't understand how anyone can try to defend Thomas Markle, he is a horrible toxic person and has tried to destroy his daughter and son in law at every opportunity.

I am on the fence about the Press losing their right to bring the case to a trial, I know it's the Daily Fail, which does colour my view a bit, but it does feel wrong, especially taking into account the judges agree the paper had the right to release a smaller portion of the letter than they did, without breaching copyright. I have a feeling ANL will take this case all the way.

I found it interesting that Geoffrey Robertson QC, a heavyweight human rights lawyer and who works with the Clooney Foundation, had this comment and criticism to make about the ruling against ANL.

"Geoffrey Robertson QC, the leading human rights barrister, said earlier this week: “Privacy is now a growth industry. The law has been developed – in fact, created – by judges. But instead of applying a presumption in favour of free speech, they purport to ‘balance’ it with often over-valued reputations of rich and famous litigants.”

He warned that the “horrendous” cost for media organisations of defending such legal actions was becoming “a deterrent to public-interest journalism”. The result was that “we do not have free speech – we have expensive speech” in the UK, he said."

'I don't understand how anyone can try to defend Thomas Markle'

No, I wouldn't defend him rather point out they should have handled him better from the off. Introduced him, had him 'onside'. Also what he is doing to attack the Sussexes for his grievances is exactly the same as what they are doing to attack the RF. Score settling via chat shows, just awful on both sides.

'but it does feel wrong, especially taking into account the judges agree the paper had the right to release a smaller portion of the letter than they did, without breaching copyright.'

Yes, seems the case was won on a technicality. Too many words included 🙄. Doesn't give you much faith in the judiciary tbh, surely it's either allowed or it isn't. As I said earlier not the mahoosive victory some claim imo.

@JaniieJones

'I don't understand how anyone can try to defend Thomas Markle'

No, I wouldn't defend him rather point out they should have handled him better from the off. Introduced him, had him 'onside'. Also what he is doing to attack the Sussexes for his grievances is exactly the same as what they are doing to attack the RF. Score settling via chat shows, just awful on both sides.

'but it does feel wrong, especially taking into account the judges agree the paper had the right to release a smaller portion of the letter than they did, without breaching copyright.'

Yes, seems the case was won on a technicality. Too many words included 🙄. Doesn't give you much faith in the judiciary tbh, surely it's either allowed or it isn't. As I said earlier not the mahoosive victory some claim imo.

Also what he is doing to attack the Sussexes for his grievances is exactly the same as what they are doing to attack the RF. Score settling via chat shows, just awful on both sides.

Maybe you feel the same way when the palace fed info to the times regarding the bullying claims and when they sent their aide to try and sink Meghan's case. It's only fair, you judge them all the same, since you are painting them all with the same brush.

In the future, this case will be quoted in court as Duchess of Sussex vs ANL.

The way people act, you would think this letter contained some state secrets. I know the papers have dehumanised her but Meghan has human rights too.

Here is the judgement :
www.judiciary.uk/judgments/hrh-the-duchess-of-sussex-claimant-respondent-v-associated-newspapers-ltd-defendant-appellant/