Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

Found them finally. These are just the emails about Finding Freedom, not the texts about the letter. As Serenster says. Knauf left their employ shortly after the last of these emails and so is ibavle to shed light on how the collaboration may or may not have continued.

So from August to November, several conversations discussing collaboration with FF, you just don't forget that ever happened.

Thanks @smilesy, much easier to have them laid out like that.

December, even

@amusedtodeath1 no problem. It was driving me mad that I couldn’t find them 🤣

@amusedtodeath1

I agree *@Serenster*, I wonder who was their go-between after Knauf left and could they come out of the woodwork?

Sara Latham replaced Jason Knauf as their Press Secretary. She has been named by the press as one of the “Palace Four” who had apparently told ANL they were willing to give evidence if the matter went to a full trial, but that may not happen, of course.

@rubicscubicle

The NYT article, simply does a summary of what has been in the news. A repeat,with quotes on what was said by her and those against her, not NYT taking a pop on MM or even criticising her, per se.

Did I claim it to be anything else? 🤷🏻‍♀️ I absolutely did not post the article as any kind of criticism or insinuating any kind of criticism regarding MM or PH…..are you THAT defensive?! I was thinking exactly the same as another pp whom wondered what the take on this debacle was in the US. That’s all. This article is balanced and informative as others would agree. I only posted as it was of interest. You would cause an argument in an empty room I feel.

Thanks @smilesy. I think I'd seen most of that but it's helpful to have it written out. I agree it was wrong to deny having any involvement at all - the emails you've set out aren't extensive but there is some back and forth about it and obviously also the longer email with background points. I can see they may have felt it was 'technically' true but there was some limited cooperation as shown, and they should have told the court that. I'm not overly exercised about it but of course I agree that any form of misleading a court of law is wrong.

@SallyLockheart

Zulu. No, I don't agree those texts are fun. They are all aiming to be sly, to get one over on the public who are being fed Meghan positive stories. It's about getting their truth, and only their truth out, to spin everything in such a super positive way.

The text exchanges/emails have a gleeful "aren't we being clever" tone to them - but it was clear from the get-go that Meghan must have had considerable input to the book. They then lied and Scobie lied - and when they truth came out that they very actively got involved in the book, Meghan shrugged it off as "forgot"

I understand and appreciate your point of view. I’m not making excuses for Meghan. From what I have seen she was not the only royal to have ever wanted a book to paint her and to some extent her spouse in positive light. So to me it was no biggies that they may have talked to the authors of the book via their palace PR or whatever. Many other royals have done it and will continue to do so. The only difference here is Meghan got found out. She should have admitted way back that she did work with Jason to brief the authors but never really talked to them directly. I don’t think she ever thought he would be a witness and stupidly she mislead the court.The first judge didn’t think FF mattered and she won. No matter, she is paying the price now and hopefully will learn from this. I don’t think it’s right to lie to the court, I think it will damage her reputation even more in the UK. But like I have said previously, she will never win over many people here again. I don’t think she should try to right now. I hope she wins this case again and moves on with her life, by that I don’t mean her hiding from public view. She should just concentrate on the things that matter to her and I hope she doesn’t drop the title. I used to think she should drop it as that would mean less scrutiny but I don’t think she should anymore.

@Zuluqueen, I have a lot of respect for the stance you've taken over this. I know you've been quite pro-Meghan and I understand why. They've made some mistakes and I hope they use this as an opportunity to re-evaluate their motivation.

They could be a force for good, but not like they have been doing.

@Roussette

Give over *@OverByYer* You know you won't be able to resist! I never even watched the OW interview, I just read the script. Betcha lots on here were glued!

Hand on heart, haven’t seen the OW interview. I have hair to wash etc;

That's two of us then!

Rosette "she should have fessed up but to me it's not the crime of the century"

Semester p22-23 of this thread that ANL appealed and were granted to include info from FF by the judge in their defence. Meghan denied to her lawyers that she had anything to do with FF. This was part of a statement put together by her lawyers.

She lied.

"Of course she should have fessed up" significantly downplays and diminishes that lying in court is a grave matter and not one that posters here and society at large will question anything that shes said in the past or in the future.

I'm sorry for people who have believed her and that she has made fools of.

Re Meghan's title, I think there might be a compromise where she doesn't use it in relation to any political campaigning. Her points about the lack of paid parental leave in the USA were very valid, but a lot of people, including Americans, get irritated by her using her title in such discussions as it looks like she's using it to get heard. Write that letter, just sign it Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor. Everyone knows who she is anyway and it would look more acceptable and give more attention to the actual cause.

Zulu. You give the impression that Meghan assumed Knauf wouldn’t be a witness and therefore was happy to chance lying to the court on the basis she wouldn’t be found out.

Yes other royals have conferred on books but that’s not the issue. Meghan stated incorrectly in a court document that she was not involved at all in FF- something that no other royal has done. In a court you are required to be truthful.

You state very casually that she was found out. This came out in the same week that Harry and her talked about misinformation in the media. And Meghan stated that tabloids should carry health warnings for being false and untruthful

Well they are both hypocrites of the highest order as many suspected. She came across as absolutely fake from day one and they have both consistently preached one thing and done another whilst leaving a trail of destruction in their wake. So it is no surprise really though I thought she was bright enough to cover her tracks more effectively This is just the last in a long line of half truths and lies that reflect really badly on them .

That's the second time this evening *twinkly" I've been told I've been made a fool of or similar, and for the second time I'll say I don't feel that, sorry.

Ironically, Meghan was banking on Knauf being silenced when she made her lie to the court

@SallyLockheart

Zulu. You give the impression that Meghan assumed Knauf wouldn’t be a witness and therefore was happy to chance lying to the court on the basis she wouldn’t be found out.

Yes other royals have conferred on books but that’s not the issue. Meghan stated incorrectly in a court document that she was not involved at all in FF- something that no other royal has done. In a court you are required to be truthful.

You state very casually that she was found out. This came out in the same week that Harry and her talked about misinformation in the media. And Meghan stated that tabloids should carry health warnings for being false and untruthful

I don’t know Meghan, I don’t know what she was thinking when she misled the court. I do think she never expected Jason to give a statement to the court. I don’t think she thought part of her & Harry’s correspondence with Jason would be released and I think it’s great that her lawyer agreed that all of the emails and texts be released to the public. I don’t mention this to justify her lying yo the court, I’m just saying she probably never thought this would happen. I could be wrong of course, as could many other people on this thread.

I have said before that somebody..anyone.. Harry, Meghan, Charles whoever should just blow the whole thing wide open.
“casually state that she was found out”. How should I state it?. Many people have said she has been found out no?. Is there a certain way I should be saying it that would be acceptable?. Harry and Meghan are right there is misinformation in the media, and some of that misinformation has been very harmful to Meghan especially.

@SallyLockheart

Ironically, Meghan was banking on Knauf being silenced when she made her lie to the court

Indeed....

Does anyone think that Charles or william will go over to USA any time soon to meet the new grand daughter/ niece?

One final point. I have stated consistently that lying to the court is unacceptable and Meghan is a liar.

Now substitute the name Andrew for Meghan.

“Prince Andrew apologised to the court for misleading them and he just forgot those facts”.

To those saying it’s not a big deal that Meghan forgot those facts, would you still be “that’s ok, he wasn’t expecting to be found out, it’s just a silly mistake “

No. They absolutely won't. Why would they. In any case I think Willliam and Kate are going on a state visit to the USA next year.

This came out in the same week that Harry and her talked about misinformation in the media

I hadn't heard that they'd been prating on about this again... rotten timing or what?

FWIW I don't like misinformation either (and god knows there's enough of it) but it seems more than a little rich coming from these two