Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

That post was to derxa

Ooops I see I put derxa's name in there anyway. I'm losing the plot. Maybe because I'm just dazzled by Meghan's beauty and can't think straight (just a joke Derxa!)

[quote Aspiringmatriarch]**@Aspiringmatriarch, did you miss the emails openly discussing that they had to make it look like they had nothing to do with it. The public can never know, I think the phrase was?

I've read it, and no, there was no such phrase. The comment you might be thinking of is Meghan talking about if the letter were leaked? Something 'words I could never speak publicly'.[/quote]
I think that poster is more likely thinking of:

“I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it.”

Which was a text from Harry to Jason Knauf

I don't make assumptions about what you think, you shouldn't with me.
I don't think she is infallible at all

Was that actually meant for me, Roussette? You put my name at the head of it, but it wasn't me who suggested you think Meghan's infallible

(Of course, no prob at all if it was a mix-up ... just wanted to be clear )

The full quote from that text for context is

“I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it. Equally, you giving the right context and background to them would help get some truths out there. The truth is v much needed and would be appreciated, especially around the Markle/wedding stuff but at the same time we can’t put them directly in touch with her friends.”

@Roussette

That's your take on it, your prerogative.

The trouble is derxa any minute now, someone will come on here suggesting that 'the usual suspects' are derailing the thread (i.e. me being one of them) so it's best if we wrap this up now, especially as this thread is not about me, but when questions are directed at me, like you have just done, I feel obliged to answer.

I'll leave it there.

So it will forever remain a mystery. I'll focus my attention on Bake Off semi final.

Apologies Puzzled. It's all the P's !
That should've been to Penguin

I haven't seen tons of emails, I've read the exchanges about the letter and the background info email, as well as the text from Harry. If there are more, I'd be interested in reading them if anyone has a link.

No need for apologies, Roussette - as you'll see I'd sort of worked it out, but wanted to be sure I wasn't mistaken

derxa I'm just not sure what you want from me!

@Aspiringmatriarch

I haven't seen tons of emails, I've read the exchanges about the letter and the background info email, as well as the text from Harry. If there are more, I'd be interested in reading them if anyone has a link.

Then you know it's not AN email, it's an email stream that goes back months, they discuss how to conceal any involvement, you've seen the emails where they discuss what they want the book to cover and yet you say they "forgot" as if it's like forgetting where you left your keys?

There's no way you forget something like that, it's nice that you want to believe that they are genuine, but the evidence is, at this point, irrefutable.

Then you know it's not AN email, it's an email stream that goes back months, they discuss how to conceal any involvement, you've seen the emails where they discuss what they want the book to cover and yet you say they "forgot" as if it's like forgetting where you left your keys?

I haven't seen that, no. I've stated what I've seen and read.

Thanks @SickAndTiredAgain for posting the exact text.

@SickAndTiredAgain

The full quote from that text for context is

“I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it. Equally, you giving the right context and background to them would help get some truths out there. The truth is v much needed and would be appreciated, especially around the Markle/wedding stuff but at the same time we can’t put them directly in touch with her friends.”

When I read this a few days ago I laughed, so embarrassing.The texts reminded me of the American soapies I used to watch when I was young ( think one was called Days of our Lives & one The bold and the beautiful ). Yep reminded me of those scripts🤣. See I like Harry, I like Meghan I do like Kate too & sometimes William. They remind me of the soapies I used to watch & telonavela( don’t ask it’s trash tv). This whole thing is fun sometimes. I was young when Diana was alive so wonder if royal watchers discussed the same issues we are discussing now.

Just in case anyone is interested in reading the correspondence between H&M and Knauff.

graziadaily.co.uk/celebrity/news/emails-meghan-markle-court-case/

Hope that works.

I'd love to find the court transcript, but I can't seem to find it right now. I'm a little under the weather ATM, so not up to my usual googling standard. Apologies.

Zulu. No, I don't agree those texts are fun. They are all aiming to be sly, to get one over on the public who are being fed Meghan positive stories. It's about getting their truth, and only their truth out, to spin everything in such a super positive way.

The text exchanges/emails have a gleeful "aren't we being clever" tone to them - but it was clear from the get-go that Meghan must have had considerable input to the book. They then lied and Scobie lied - and when they truth came out that they very actively got involved in the book, Meghan shrugged it off as "forgot"

@rubicscubicle

posted too soon .

• I don't think people of colour go around accusing others of racism out of the blue or lying about it for the sake of it.

And yet the Oprah interview (hosted by a person of colour) doctored headlines to make them appear more racist and that they had all come from the British press when in fact several were from the USA and Australia and at least one article was criticising the racism shown to Meghan rather than being racist to her as Oprah (or her team) claimed. Either Oprah's team do everything and didn't inform her of inaccurate information or she was happy to let it stand. I'm sure there was racism but if it had been that bad then absolutely no doctoring of headlines would have been needed. As for the conversation about the children there is a world of difference between someone wondering who the child will resemble, or even making sure the parents one of whom has been described as paranoid about the press are ready and in a strong head space to deal with any racism from press or public if the child was black and if the other person could help with this, to someone sneering about a child's colour.

Below is a more complete transcript of the emails, although I have read them in more detail elsewhere but I can’t find it at the moment.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/meghan-markle-jason-knauf-finding-freedom-correspondence-letter-b965692.html

Anyway, point being that although people often forget the details of a discussion, it's virtually impossible to forget the subject matter completely given the text of those communications, that these conversations took place often over the course of some months and the number of them.

They didn't "forget" they lied.

Thanks @smilesy, much better than what I posted.

Yes, the doctored headlines in the Oprah interview!

Why would they have to do that?

The other point I have made previously about Finding Freedom is that the Jason Knauf emails are from the very start of the book project, when it was being introduced to the Sussexes and they were providing information about Meghan’s background. Jason Knauf stopped working for them not long afterwards, and so can’t say what happened next. If you look at the completed book, it certainly gives the impression there was a LOT more collaboration after that.

Email exchange over the Scobie book

August 30, 2018
Meghan to Jason
Regarding a Tweet Meghan had seen, sent by Omid Scobie, purporting to name her "stylist"
"You know how personally frustrating I find the “stylist” narrative (as it’s the only thing I seem to still have any control over - my personal styling) but given we are being asked to cooperate with this evidently authoritative biography I need to share I will not be comfortable doing so if this person is considered an authority and is tweeting the below. Can we set up a time to chat? I feel he needs to be back briefed ASAP if there’s any conversation about working with them moving forward."

September 12, 2018
Jason to Meghan
In reply to her suggestion that they proactively ask friends not to participate in the book
"Hi Ma'am – We have done that before when we expected a biography to be hostile, but I don't feel it is right in this instance to issue a proactive note asking people not to cooperate. It will almost certainly get back to Carolyn and Omid and even if worded in a warm manner I think could significantly change the nature of the project."

November 12, 2018
Meghan to Jason
"Would you have some time to talk this afternoon? Would love to debrief a few things, discuss the Omid Scobie book (and their outreach), but most importantly figure out some sort of action plan to ensure my moms safety from these egregious paps."

November 19, 2018

Meghan to Jason
"Has omid gotten back to you with his outline of what he foresees covering in the book. If so, can please let me know in separate email and then I can make the decision [about whether to invite him to report on a royal engagement] accordingly?"

December 10, 2018
Jason to Meghan
"Please see attached the areas Omid and Carolyn have asked to discuss with me. My advice is that we do not ask your friends to directly engage with them. I think it is important that we can say hand on heart they had no access, just in case it goes into any difficult territory.
"If you’re happy I will see them later this week to set out the factual background and to provide more recent context. Of course if you still think you would like to have one or two people speak to them on your behalf we will arrange it."

Harry to Jason
“...I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it. Equally, you giving the right context and background to them would help get some truths out there. The truth is v much needed and would be appreciated, especially around the Markle/wedding stuff but at the same time we can’t put them directly in touch with her friends.”

Meghan to Jason
After receiving the list of questions to The Duchess
“Thank you very much for the info below - for when you sit down with them it may be helpful to have some background reminders so I’ve included them below just in case. I know you are better versed at this than most but assisting where I can. I appreciate your support - please let me know if you need me to fill in any other blanks.”

Harry to Jason
“Also, are u planning on giving them a rough idea of what she’s been through over the last 2yrs? Media onslaught, cyber bullying on a different scale, puppeteering Thomas Markle etc etc etc. Even if they choose not to use it, they should hear what it was like from someone who was in the thick of it. So if you aren’t planning on telling them, can I ?!”

December 13, 2018
Jason to Meghan
"I also had close to two hours with Omid and Carolyn yesterday. I took them through everything. They are going to time the book for run-up to the baby being born and it is going to be very positive. They are prioritising the US market and will position it as a celebration of you that corrects the record on a number of fronts. I will stay in close contact with them."

I agree @Serenster, I wonder who was their go-between after Knauf left and could they come out of the woodwork?