Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

Yes. The photos make the Cambridges seem modern and photography as Catherine's "thing" is inoffensive and wholesome.

I did wonder if the Sussexes would take their own images too but clearly not

Harry talked of the relationship between the Palace and certain publications, how they were wooed, wined, dined and an air of you scratch my back and give me a story, and I'll do positive press. I can link you to what he said if you like, but as it's Harry you will discount it of course

I won’t discount that at all, Meghan rather confirmed in in her texts to JK - “if I like Omid’s book proposal I’ll invite him to a function he wants access to” was the gist of it. There’s always a quid pro quo.

Sometimes this works in the Royal family’s favour - Harry in Afghanistan is a good example. The press all co-operated and played dumb about his whereabouts, and it only came up because a US publication and New Idea in Australia weren’t in on the deal.

But I think the whole Royal family is very well aware that the press coverage can (and does) turn on a dime. The Sun’s senior editorial team have spoken openly about how Gordon Brown was supported as PM despite them thinking he really wasn’t up to the job, until one day in September 2009 they (ahem, Rupert Murdoch) just decided his time was up, and started to roll out hugely negative coverage of him and Labour. He and Labour were out the next election. Now, obviously we can’t vote the Queen out, but they also look for positive public opinion and so are at the mercy of the press.

I genuinely don’t think it’s the Royal family who has the power in this relationship.

And I fully appreciate that this will be hugely frustrating to Meghan’s many fans, but in reality the revelations of last week have given those who have looked with scepticism at her various tales about her time in the Royal family a justification to take nothing she says, or has said, at face value. No external force made her mislead the court, she did that herself.

I agree that the RF would rather fewer concessions to the media but the media are part of the machinery that's kept the RF going all these years. The curtain protecting is from seeing the real Wizard of Oz

Things are complicated by the fact that foreign publications are not part of the code of conduct followed by UK outlets. For example an Italian magazine published paparazzi photos of Catherine with the children making a purchase at Smiggle.

I think most people are aware of the PR machines at work these days. Nearly all well known people are trying to manipulate their image in some way and yes that will include mistruths and outright lies. I don't like it but it's a fact most savvy people are aware of when forming opinions regarding whoever.

They all do it, but they don't all "mislead the court". They can say it was a lapse of memory to save face, but everyone knows that it's impossible for two people to forget, not just the minutiae, but the entire subject of providing information for a book. It's just not at all believable and I don't think even they expected anyone to truly believe that they "forgot", they just couldn't say "yes we purposely misled you because we have to protect our image" because they know perjury charges would follow closely.

@Roussette

Skip yes, everyone does. But the RF are masters at it and have certain publications in their pocket

Ah, like the Sussexes and People magazine, you mean?

On a slightly divergent note, if the Palace can be criticised on the basis that 'they present everything to suit their own agenda' can we please not pretend that Harry doesn't do the same? Taking statements of his at face value - like the one about the other royals and their relationship with the press - ignores the fact that he too has an agenda. His statements are often repeated as if they are self-evidently true, guileless and leave nothing out, when that's not the case for him any more than it is for the royals generally.

But I think the whole Royal family is very well aware that the press coverage can (and does) turn on a dime

Yes agree

I genuinely don’t think it’s the Royal family who has the power in this relationship

I just think it's something they have to do, they have to make it work somehow because as you say, it can turn on a dime.
Now whether that means releasing pictures like Kate does, or giving the press the heads up on something... it's a delicate balance

I agree that the RF would rather fewer concessions to the media but the media are part of the machinery that's kept the RF going all these years

Yes, without the press, they really won't be noticed. It's what a lot of the general public wants... glossy pics, balcony photos, formal photos.... the RF work in partnership with the media for specific events

Yes, without the press, they really won't be noticed. It's what a lot of the general public wants... glossy pics, balcony photos, formal photos.... the RF work in partnership with the media for specific events

Of course they do, but so does everyone else in the public eye. So what?

What do you mean 'so what'?

We were having a decent conversation about the press and the Royal Family, as you can see if you read back.

Why pick up on my post smilesy?
Why not pick up on the post I was answering which I was agreeing with?
It's tiresome to be picked up on everything I post.

If say for example, Zara and Mike decided Royal life wasn't for them, then started trashing the RF, continuing to do so whilst a family member is dying/ the family is grieving. Complained that after resigning from their Jobs, they were cut off financially a year later. Then they admitted misleading a court of law I'd feel exactly the same about them as I do H&M.

Everything points to the problem being them, not EVERYONE else. So many people who are against them, lying about them.....insert anyone of their woe is me statements here ....

The common denominator in all this drama is always H&M.

I’m not picking on you Roussette and I’m sorry if you feel this way. I just genuinely don’t see why this is a revolutionary statement, given that everyone, including Meghan and Harry need publicity of this sort. It’s not exclusive to the Royals. That’s all I meant to highlight 🤷‍♀️

I don't see Zara and Mike lobbying politicians, doing state visits to New York and handing out medals.

There undoubtedly is a relationship between the RF and the press, and it works on cooperation to a certain degree to cover the events and organisations they are promoting but I won't go as far as to say the press is in the pockets of the RF.

Otherwise, we would hear next to nothing about Andrew's relationship with Epstein, or Michael Fawcett's dodgy dealings - and those stories have headlined in all the UK press in recent months.

I just find it frustrating . Someone says the media is the machinery that has kept the RF going and I agree with them by paraphrasing what they said and I get 'so what?'

I didn't say it was a revolutionary statement. I just agreed with what a PP had said, that's all

I've completely lost my train of through now!

True Vivienne, I actually really like Zara & Mike. I have often wondered how down to earth Mike managed to assimilate into the uptight world of Royalty. But he seems to be well liked and respected in the family as far as I can tell. Just goes to show that it didn't have to be like this for H&M for me though.

*thought

Can't stop imagining the Queen, wide-eyed, leaning towards Oprah and saying 'Nobody knows this but I have my real birthday on a different day'.

@StartupRepair

Can't stop imagining the Queen, wide-eyed, leaning towards Oprah and saying 'Nobody knows this but I have my real birthday on a different day'.

@StartupRepair

Can't stop imagining the Queen, wide-eyed, leaning towards Oprah and saying 'Nobody knows this but I have my real birthday on a different day'.

startuprepair 😂😂

@StartupRepair

@amusedtodeath1

If say for example, Zara and Mike decided Royal life wasn't for them, then started trashing the RF, continuing to do so whilst a family member is dying/ the family is grieving. Complained that after resigning from their Jobs, they were cut off financially a year later. Then they admitted misleading a court of law I'd feel exactly the same about them as I do H&M.

Everything points to the problem being them, not EVERYONE else. So many people who are against them, lying about them.....insert anyone of their woe is me statements here ....

The common denominator in all this drama is always H&M.

Exactly. You couldn't have said it better.

No-one can fall out with that many people and have that many people against them and lying about them without the common denominator being them. They are the problem.

@StartupRepair

Can't stop imagining the Queen, wide-eyed, leaning towards Oprah and saying 'Nobody knows this but I have my real birthday on a different day'.

That is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

Thanks Cleo, I sometimes think I'm not getting across what I mean.

How can a couple fall out with both sets of family, barr the odd one or two, all of social media, the tabloid press, a lot of their own staff, and a whole fucking country and not think to themselves that maybe their approach is the problem? It beggars belief.

@amusedtodeath1

Thanks Cleo, I sometimes think I'm not getting across what I mean.

How can a couple fall out with both sets of family, barr the odd one or two, all of social media, the tabloid press, a lot of their own staff, and a whole fucking country and not think to themselves that maybe their approach is the problem? It beggars belief.

Exactly.