Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

I think that’s a bit unfairAspiring. I can understand being upset with the vocabulary, but I don’t think this is a good example of a lie told by the palace versus one told by Meghan

Oh, I agree with this, my point is a more general one.

Meghan intentionally lied about her own actions. She didn't "forget" that she wrote several pages of personal information about herself and her family that she ordered Knauf to pass on to Scobie. It's simply not possible to forget something like that. She's spent the past several years talking endlessly about her obsession with "setting the record straight" and "getting the truth out there," and we're supposed to believe that she completely forget about her biggest and most initially successful attempt to get her version of events reported on?

In your opinion it's not possible she forgot the email.

We know Meghan didn't tell Knauf about the Toronto trip in advance. We have no reason to believe she told anyone else about that trip in advance, either. If Meghan flies off to another continent without telling her own staff, then is recognized on the plane and the staff have to field questions about it without having any idea what's going on, then it's ultimately on Meghan when inaccurate information ends up in the media. And if theydidknow where she was and lied about it, then they were just following her instructions when they did so, so it's still on her.

Of course it is! Everything is Meghan's fault, always. This is the law.

@Aspiringmatriarch

You think she forgot about the emails and her husbands input, don’t you think a full on court battle would jog her memory a little? The discussions she no doubt had with PH about it?

Quite rightly it’s most people’s opinion that of course she knew. Please stop with the ‘everything’s Meghans fault’ bs.

@Aspiringmatriarch

Meghan intentionally lied about her own actions. She didn't "forget" that she wrote several pages of personal information about herself and her family that she ordered Knauf to pass on to Scobie. It's simply not possible to forget something like that. She's spent the past several years talking endlessly about her obsession with "setting the record straight" and "getting the truth out there," and we're supposed to believe that she completely forget about her biggest and most initially successful attempt to get her version of events reported on?

In your opinion it's not possible she forgot the email.

We know Meghan didn't tell Knauf about the Toronto trip in advance. We have no reason to believe she told anyone else about that trip in advance, either. If Meghan flies off to another continent without telling her own staff, then is recognized on the plane and the staff have to field questions about it without having any idea what's going on, then it's ultimately on Meghan when inaccurate information ends up in the media. And if theydidknow where she was and lied about it, then they were just following her instructions when they did so, so it's still on her.

Of course it is! Everything is Meghan's fault, always. This is the law.

Have you ever forgotten something that was so important to you? Harry knew about it, too, and they'd surely have discussed it with each other before she swore under oath that no such thing ever happened. She could have just re-read FF - that would surely have jogged her memory. If that's an "opinion," I'm interested in the basis for yours that this level of selective forgetfulness is plausible in someone who's otherwise (supposedly) cognitively normal.

Do you have any evidence at all that 1) Meghan told anyone at the palace that she going to Toronto, and 2) someone other than Meghan told them to lie about her being in Toronto?

Gwrach -- "Lying to a court of law....-suppose we will have to wait to see what old Andrew has to say in the coming months....pizza express indeed......
I like your turn of phrase, well, phrases.

Well, this one's still running, Ghislaine's alleged stuff comes up allegedly very soon, Andrew maybe in a few months..............should keep us going.

@Roussette

Palace lie all day long about stuff. They are experts in "spin"

Yes, yes yes to this. We are spoonfed a diet of exactly what they want us to know. We have no choice in the matter.

This is why the RF practice the never explain thing (at least most of the time)

The more information out there, the more chances for the public to analyse and criticise.

When Harry's memoir is published there will be an avalanche of new posts and media reports comparing what he says there to what he has said on previous occasions. The media and public have never had so many stories and comments from the horses mouth and sources from each side.

Totally agree. Banana
To be honest, as far as I'm concerned, the never complain, never explain mantra gets on my tits.
They do their fair share of complaining. But they never explain.

The phrase is used to maintain the illusion of royalty, and I think 'do as I say, and not as I do' as far more apt....

We are spoonfed a diet ofexactlywhat they want us to know. We have no choice in the matter.

Agree with this comment about the palace, Roussette. The thing is, it's true of other elite organisations and individuals too. Including the Sussexes. You don't think their public communications are 'spoon feeding us a diet of exactly what they want us to know'?

Do you really think it's likely Meghan chose the word 'reminder' in a private email to a member of staff in order to obscure the truth if it became public?

Yet again I can't possibly know, @Aspiringmatriarch, but if talking about what I think I'd say it's quite possible. Just the emphasis on their not being seen to have anything to do with things shows the capacity for deceit, and that's without the lies to court, the unpleasantness of bringing Samantha's child custody into it, etc.

Like others I don't even see the point in lying about involvement with Finding Freedom, when admitting the obvious fact she'd provided details could have avoided so much of this angst. The denial was no more believable than was Diana's over Andrew Morton, and that didn't make Diana look good either

Skip yes, everyone does. But the RF are masters at it and have certain publications in their pocket

roussette. ooh, do name names and could you detail exactly how they have those publications in their pockets?

in the last couple of years there has been considerable judicial scrutiny, and disapproval of, the tendency of people to use NDAs to effectively gag people from speaking out about wrongdoing

I'm not surprised; as with the RF they're too often used to hide terrible behaviour, rather than for better motives involving genuine privacy

Also thanks for clarifying exactly why FF is now relevant; I'd been musing about that but lack the legal knowledge to understand it properly, so it was good to see it properly explained

It's the symbiotic relationships Sally.

To be honest, as far as I'm concerned, the never complain, never explain mantra gets on my tits
They do their fair share of complaining. But they never explain

Mine too, Roussette, but I understand why they do it

Given the number of lies which have been found out and the skeletons which have tumbled out of their cupboards, I can only imagine what real candour would do to their image

To be honest, as far as I'm concerned, the never complain, never explain mantra gets on my tits. They do their fair share of complaining. But they never explain

Can you give an example of the Queen complaining. I’m not saying she doesn’t - I’m interested?

LittleBearPad I didn't say the Queen.
I'm talking about other members of the RF (not all)

@Roussette

LittleBearPad I didn't say the Queen. I'm talking about other members of the RF (not all)

I know you didn’t. I was interested if there was an example of her complaining as the never complain, never explain has, I think, worked for the Queen.

Or do you disagree?

Yes, I agree. It is ingrained in her, and it has worked but we have to bear in mind when she came to the throne and how times have changed enormously.

The population are more discerning and questioning now.

@Roussette

It's the symbiotic relationships Sally.

Roussette. If you are going to make assertions, facts are needed. You mean its your opinion as a man/woman in the street that certain papers are in the RF's pockets, then say so.

Symbiotic relationship doesn't cut it, sorry. Means you have no proof and its speculation on your part.

I'll give you an example of fact and proof.

Meghan is a liar. She lied in a written statement to a court of law.

Do you have proof of everything you say Sally? I missed that bit lol.

Harry talked of the relationship between the Palace and certain publications, how they were wooed, wined, dined and an air of you scratch my back and give me a story, and I'll do positive press. I can link you to what he said if you like, but as it's Harry you will discount it of course.

It's not speculation, it's obvious.

Why do you think that Kate releases her own pictures? It's to avoid being papped, in a 'you do that, and we'll leave you alone' type thing. You cannot tell me there are no understandings between certain elements of the press.

Look at when there was an article about Kate and Jill Biden in the Times or Telegraph (can't remember which). Suddenly the RF felt it might've been a bit political, it was pulled in hours but I read it. Do you think I could've got an article pulled? Nope.
So please don't tell me there is no relationship between them. An 'invisible contract' as Harry said.

Why do you think there is a RR (royal Rota)? It's a system established decades ago to allow the 6 or 7 of the big papers exclusive access to the RF, which means they can control the narrative up to a point.

It's a delicate balance, it doesn't always work, hence the use of the word symbiotic.
And I'm just a woman in the street.... yes

A terrible coincidence that we learn she forgot doing something so fundamentally manipulative at just the time that Harry’s think tank have published a study on misinformation.

@Roussette He called it the Invisible Contract.

I agree there will be deals about the images. First Day at School is also one that the Cambridges will have deals over.

I think Catherine rather than a professional photographer taking birthday portraits is probably more pleasant for the children. They aren't expected to perform on a given day at a given time and with their mum as photographer they are more likely to be relaxed.

I believe that the Invisible Contract is real but not sure about the parties etc since even pro-Sussex publications won't clarify that point.

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Yes, the invisible contract.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kate's played a blinder doing her kids pics for the press. It works (at the moment)