Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

@amusedtodeath1

Thanks Cleo, I sometimes think I'm not getting across what I mean.

How can a couple fall out with both sets of family, barr the odd one or two, all of social media, the tabloid press, a lot of their own staff, and a whole fucking country and not think to themselves that maybe their approach is the problem? It beggars belief.

@amusedtodeath1 agree

@StartupRepair

Can't stop imagining the Queen, wide-eyed, leaning towards Oprah and saying 'Nobody knows this but I have my real birthday on a different day'.

Mumsnet we need a like button 👍.

@Roussette

That's because she invites it more and so people are going to comment and form an opinion of her more. She voices her opinions, does public interviews which are controversial and seems to make a statement of any number of things she's interested in. She's a much more controversial figure in the way she approaches being in the public eye so of course people comment on her more

Personally I have far more to say about the RF who we pay for, than someone who we don't fund and who lives in the US. But there you go...
yes she's controversial. And you say she invites it more. When she doesn't say a word and is quiet and getting on with her life, the threads don't stop. It tends to be regurgitating old stuff or DM nonsense.

If only PA 'invited it more'.... ??

We have never seen her not say a word. From almost day one her and PH seemed to take anything said about them personally.

When someone decides to preach to others about what they should/shouldn't do, makes public their negative views of the press, tells people to be honest and kind and wants to talk about misinformation. Unfortunately they are perhaps put up to higher expectations for their own behaviour than others might. When someone does that their own behaviour tends to be scrutinised more closely. If she didn't want her own behaviour to be closely scrutinised she needs to stop criticising and commenting on others. She does this more than other members of the RF and so is in the press more.

Much like the environmentalists at the moment or the government who are voicing a certain narrative to others. They are then expected to follow that themselves otherwise they are labelled hypocritical and get scrutinised. This isn't only MM most people are held to this basic rule.

Also- when they went to the US I had sympathy for them. I could understand why they did it. She had a golden opportunity then to say nothing and see what happened with the press. To live a quiet life away from scrutiny and negative press attention which they said they wanted. To let go of all the pressure, stress and negativity of it all. To put two fingers up to her critics.

But she chose the opposite approach. Ok, fair enough. But then don't moan when you can't control exactly what is said about you and tell blatant 'mistruths' which will come back to bite you as know matter who you trust if something is written down wherever it can be used against you.

Why is every single argument or comment about Meghan countered with one about the RF and how they’re worse. I’m no fan of the RF but it’s not relevant when discussing her and what she has done.

@cleocleo81

Also- when they went to the US I had sympathy for them. I could understand why they did it. She had a golden opportunity then to say nothing and see what happened with the press. To live a quiet life away from scrutiny and negative press attention which they said they wanted. To let go of all the pressure, stress and negativity of it all. To put two fingers up to her critics.

But she chose the opposite approach. Ok, fair enough. But then don't moan when you can't control exactly what is said about you and tell blatant 'mistruths' which will come back to bite you as know matter who you trust if something is written down wherever it can be used against you.

I remember when they went and some posters suggesting they were not after a quiet life, raising their children in anonymity at all, being strenuously and repeatedly shut down with cries of “hate!” and “you’re jealous!” It is now quite clear that “a quiet life” was never the goal, what with their publicised royal type trips that are weird in that they have no official position there yet are behaving as though they do. Now there’s these outright admitted lies and still none of her defenders will admit that there was and has always been a game plan with even more exposure and fame as the goal. What will it take? What would they have to do before her mindlessly defensive supporters will admit she has feet of clay.

They never ever said they wanted total privacy. They wanted to be able to control their privacy. Not hard to understand. I don't call it a game plan. You can call it that if you want, and I can disagree if I want.

I won't call you a mindlessly attacking detractor because it's rude.

Attacking those who don't agree with you rather negates the points in your post.

@Roussette

They never ever said they wanted total privacy. They wanted to be able to control their privacy. Not hard to understand. I don't call it a game plan. You can call it that if you want, and I can disagree if I want.

I won't call you a mindlessly attacking detractor because it's rude.

Attacking those who don't agree with you rather negates the points in your post.

That's fair enough but in doing that they need to accept and their supporters need to accept they are opening themselves up to criticism and scrutiny in the decisions they make. They invite closer scrutiny by making this decision and putting elements of their lives out to the public. They aren't going with the put up and shut up many other royals do. So they will have more attention, more backlash, more public media posts about them. It's not hard- the more in the public eye you put yourself, the more of your life/opinions you give out the more people have to say about you. You can't have it both ways snd they need to realise that.

Then when you do say certain things or do certain things at the same time as telling others to do the opposite- be kind, be truthful, there is too much misinformation, the press are attacking us etc but are then called out by others that you aren't following this yourself there is bound to be a backlash. Not because they are MM and PH but because of their own actions.

It does come across as mindlessly defending her when she’s done something awful by misleading and lying about her own court case, and it gets excused any which way.

They aren't going with the put up and shut up many other royals do

They aren't working royals. And they are self funded. And they don't live in this country.
They can do what they want. We don't own them.

Yeah but controlling their privacy, just means they want people to only talk about the things they want talking about. Life isn't like that, you can have fame or privacy, you can't have both.

The lack of privacy is the price you pay for fame, wealth and influence.

Yeah but controlling their privacy, just means they want people to only talk about the things they want talking about

Don;t you think the RF is like that? Do they want headlines about Andrew? Nope
Do they want coverage about the Queen's consent on changing laws that don't suit? Nope
Does PC want articles about the 16,000 miles he travelled on private jets? Nope
H&M arent unique in wanting people to only talk about what they want talked about!

@Roussette

They never ever said they wanted total privacy. They wanted to be able to control their privacy. Not hard to understand. I don't call it a game plan. You can call it that if you want, and I can disagree if I want.

I won't call you a mindlessly attacking detractor because it's rude.

Attacking those who don't agree with you rather negates the points in your post.

I didn’t “attack” anyone. There you go with your emotive language again. It’s an observation. I do not understand how anyone can be repeatedly proved wrong over and over and refuse to acknowledge it. That is mindless to me.

I didn’t mention “privacy” I said “quiet life” which they certainly did indicate that they wanted.

No we don't pay for them anymore, but they continue to use UK royal Titles of Duke and Duchess and therefore their actions are associated with the RF and the Country they continue to disparrage.

They seem to believe that they can choose when to use the media for their own gain and when they should be left alone, that's not how it works for anyone in the public eye.

Life's a bitch for everyone.

You said 'mindlessly defensive supporters'.

I'm not mindless, thanks. Nor are you, I'm sure.

We just have different viewpoints. It's no good getting so frustrated when not everyone agrees with you. That's the nature of a forum, we have opinions and can express them, even when they're differing.

The singer who sang at the awards the other night, where Meghan wore her red dress, sang the national anthem, and according to her Harry asked for it, make of that what you will.

Of course I'm pretty sure the Palace would prefer none of their members are in the press for anything negative.

But are they out there trying to tell people that they are haters for talking about Andrew? No they're not, they accept that this is the way it is.

They can do what they want. We don't own them

And like everyone else they need to accept the consequences of their actions. It’s worth remembering that it was MM who brought the case against ANL and not the other way around.

No we don't pay for them anymore, but they continue to use UK royal Titles of Duke and Duchess and therefore their actions are associated with the RF and the Country they continue to disparrage

And you can bet your last dollar that if they didn't use or have those titles, they would still be criticised.

They don't disparage the UK, they just left

@Tillsforthrills

Why is every single argument or comment about Meghan countered with one about the RF and how they’re worse. I’m no fan of the RF but it’s not relevant when discussing her and what she has done.

Agree. And Roussette has just proved that again ……..

It’s worth remembering that it was MM who brought the case against ANL and not the other way around

Yes, and she won it.

I won't go as far as to say the press is in the pockets of the RF
Otherwise, we would hear next to nothing about Andrew's relationship with Epstein, or Michael Fawcett's dodgy dealings

I agree it's more complicated than that, but since you mentioned Fawcett I was amused to see reports that he's left yet again - this time over "cash for honours", which naturally Charles is claiming to know nothing about

Amusing, too, to imagine a person who's been around so long and become so close could ever be safely cast aside; now there's an autobiography that would be worth reading

Sally if you want posts removed you can report under Talk Guidelines.

When it suits certain posters keep banging on about the RF in the context of Harry & Meghan. When it doesn't suit, it's said to not be relevant.

For a long time, this and the previous thread were interesting, with some really informative and balanced discussion. Now it’s just the usual suspects arguing with each other. Pity.

Of course they would be criticized, that was my whole point, they would be criticized regardless because of their behaviour.

They have acted in ways that will be talked about, bringing a court case and misleading the court is a negative thing. They focused that attention on themselves knowing full well they weren't being honest.

The did an interview with Oprah, PP was sick, MM was pregnant, they said misleading things,...again no one opened them up to that level of scrutiny, they did that to themselves. They could have kept their business to themselves, but the decided to tell the world about it.