Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

As a slight aside, can I ask why people are saying JK is now unlikely to be employed by anyone again as he has shown himself be be untrustworthy? If he is required by the court to give evidence, surely his duty to the court trumps any NDA his employer may have insisted upon?

Yes, he Is basically a whistleblower.
What do you think the context was that made it impossible for Meghan and Harry to visit her father? Was it fear that he would meet them with a whole documentary crew accompanying him?

@sammylady37

As a slight aside, can I ask why people are saying JK is now unlikely to be employed by anyone again as he has shown himself be be untrustworthy? If he is required by the court to give evidence, surely his duty to the court trumps any NDA his employer may have insisted upon?

I doubt he violated the NDA. Meghan may have wrongly assumed that he owed confidentiality to her personally, but that's probably not how it was set up (and Harry should have known that). The Queen, and perhaps others at the Firm, would have the ability to waive the NDA if they wanted. And I don't see a downside to them waiving it here. Meghan being publicly proven to have lied just makes everyone less likely to believe her next time she says something negative about them. And it's not likely to be perceived as their fault, since she was the one one who insisted on suing (probably against their advice) in the first place, knowing she'd collaborated with Scobie and shared the letter with her friends, and knowing this was likely to come up. It's not as if they told her to lie the first time.

@Roussette

If it had all been happy and peachy, it shouldn’t even had made the papers. Did we hear anything about Kate selecting/been given a tiara, likewise Eugenie/Beatrice/Sophie etc

Really, do you believe this?

I thought the row about the tiara was discounted. The Queen was quite happy with it all.

I think it was totally 'happy and peachy' and was a DM story as clickbait.
“The Queen, Harry and Meghan were all present – she tried on five tiaras and the Queen asked her which she preferred.

“Meghan asked the Queen her preference. The Queen said they all suited her and Meghan chose the diamond one, which the Queen agreed was perfect.

“Shame to see such a beautiful sweet moment skewed in media. There was no conversation about any other tiara as a preference. Meghan loved the one she wore and it remains a very special memory.”

Meghan wrote that story, though, and gave it to Scobie via Knauf. The exact wording is in the bunch of Knauf's emails he provided. She wrote it in the third person so I guess she wanted it published which Scobie did. I don't really think we can rely on that being the total truth, rather it's just how she wants events to be portrayed.

I think the tiara row happened after the selection. When Meghan's hairdresser was in town and Angela Kelly didn't jump to and race up from Windsor to accommodate the hairdresser's schedule. The row was about Harry and Meghan being rude to Angela who is a close and trusted staff member of the Queen.

I suspect that Meghan is adopting the behaviour that she experienced whilst being rejected by the elite Hollywood she aspire to belong to

Is this an opinion of yours, something made up by the DM, or actual fact because she's said this?
What tush

@Zuluqueen
I guess what I’m trying to say is Meghan will never be be popular in Britain and both of them should have a thick skin and accept that ship has sailed. They can’t fight the UK press & win . They should just focus on their new lives and take whatever criticism on the chin because nothing is forever. To me life is too short to try to control the narrative all the time
A very sensible post 👏👏👏

Yes, ZuluQueen nails it there.

I know some of you on here must have defended them by saying they had nothing to do with FF.

Don't you feel betrayed now finding out that actually they did have input into the book, by their own admission? I mean they misled their own supporters more than anyone else (except maybe the RF).

I didn't believe them anyway, so it came as no surprise, but if I'd been defending them against that allegation particularly, I'd be a little annoyed.

I forget things at times. I’m sure we all do.

However to forget what appears to be a series of messages, I don’t think is very likely. MM didn’t just mislead. She lied to the court. A barrister/solicitor’s nightmare.

Well it would have been mine & I probably would have refused to continue acting. You need to know your client is being straight with you, no barrister or solicitor likes surprises. Especially of that sort.

I'm not sure that they could never be popular in the UK, lots of "celebs" do worse things and make a come back. The key is keeping a low profile for a while and appearing to be humble and never making excuses/blaming anyone else.

Look at Charles and Camilla, they were extremely disliked at one point, but they made little issue of it and ploughed on quietly doing good and focusing on their work and they've largely won the public over.

The British people are not unreasonable, but we aren't fools and don't like being treated as such.

I agree Miss Marple, to forget details is common, to forget many entire conversations, that took place over many weeks and not retain even the slightest recollection regarding an issue they have repeatedly publicly denied is not even plausible.

Meghan was immensely popular when she first appeared - literally crowds lining the streets, all, sorts of honours (first unmarried to family Christmas, early solo,engagements with the Queen, major patronage bestowed)

Yes, there's swings and roundabouts - the press turn, as all women who marry in seem to go though periods of being in the cross-hairs, and good on them for drawing attention to how wrong it is. And it is wrong, but she wasn't singled out.

I do however suspect that things such as the omission to the court, other lies/misrepresentations (or just plain lack of clarity) mean that the initial welcome and popularity have dissipated considerably.

And of course, unlike those who decided to just live through it and show by years/decades of unexceptional performance of duties (look how long it took the Wessexes), they have no interest in that route. So they do seem different now, and I hope their different course is bringing them all they hoped for

Look at Charles and Camilla, they were extremely disliked at one point, but they made little issue of it and ploughed on quietly doing good and focusing on their work and they've largely won the public over

I don't think C&C are the slightest bit popular. I think people are accepting because they have no choice in the matter, but popular? No.

Yougov polling from August suggests if the RF were a league table, C and C would be lower/mid table but so far avoiding a relegation scrap...

C&C have definitely gained popularity. Now I'm not saying most loved, but they have crawled up from the relegation zone.

Thing is the "events" that made him unpopular were all whilst he was a younger man. He's now in his 70's and for the past 25-30 years has kept his head down and just ploughed on quietly. This has earned him "points".

For some who weren't even born when the "events" occured, they have liked him for his environmental causes and accept he's the next in line and will be King withing the decade.

I mean I was 5 when Diana died, and having read back on it all seems both were as bad as eachother in the marital affair scenario. They were pressured to marry, she was too young, she was unable to cope because of her mental health, she wasn't given any support, but once splitting from the family courted the press, refused palace security and tragedy followed.

He had a longstanding affair with C, and if they (the firm) had just let him marry her none of it would have happened. He's loved C his entire adult life. You can't help who you love.

And the same goes for H and M they clearly love one another, that's obviously fine, but they now just need to cut ties with the UK and forge ahead in the US on their own without anymore tell all books and interviews, let the dust settle and crack on with their life there. They would be happier for it I'm sure and concentrate on their charity work.

Gwrach yes I agree with your last paragraph.

I just think, as far as C&C, it's not like we have a choice, is it... we just have to accept whoever is next in line and the Diana years have faded through time passing. So I just think it is acceptance of something we can't change.

Personally, I just don't care, except wanting him to slim down the Monarchy and provide more transparency on finances.

@StartupRepair

I think the tiara row happened after the selection. When Meghan's hairdresser was in town and Angela Kelly didn't jump to and race up from Windsor to accommodate the hairdresser's schedule. The row was about Harry and Meghan being rude to Angela who is a close and trusted staff member of the Queen.

I haven't read FF and haven't known the details of Tiaragate, so that's interesting. Mmmmm, rude to Angela .......................

@Roussette

Look at Charles and Camilla, they were extremely disliked at one point, but they made little issue of it and ploughed on quietly doing good and focusing on their work and they've largely won the public over

I don't think C&C are the slightest bit popular. I think people are accepting because they have no choice in the matter, but popular? No.

Personally I was not a fan of Camilla at all initially. However since they married she has shown herself in a very good light and I admire her work for charity and her support of Charles. So they’ve won me over. I’m not excited at the idea of Charles as King, but as a couple they seem a good match.

Got to love these 'M can't do anything wrong' brigade!

At the end of the day she either lied or her memory was seriously flawed. Either way if anyone continues to believe everything that has come or will come out of her mouth then they are blinded to the facts. She is not a reliable source. At best as she has a dodgy memory. At worst because she thinks she is above the laws of the land.

Got to love these 'M can't do anything right' brigade!

I personally think they have got carried away trying to right the wrongs of how the press have bullied and misrepresented them, and have muddled up “truth” as the law sees it, and “truth” in a PR sense ie. what the public see/believe to be true. In my mind it’s a simple “two wrongs don’t make a right”.

Unfortunately I think they are burning through the residual goodwill and sympathy of those of us who initially supported them. That the public have been manipulated by both the press and H&M and I personally have very little time for whatever they have to say about vaccines or feminism or whatever now, which is a shame.

@Roussette

Got to love these 'M can't do anything right' brigade!

I haven't seen any of those. I've just seen people reacting to her behaviour.

I haven't seen any of those

You are joking surely.... years of threads, hundreds of them and none of it was unwarranted criticism?
Threads were deleted by the dozen, hundreds of posts deleted because of the unpleasantness and insults.

Just reacting... yeah right... I don't talk about my worst enemy like that