Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

I agree Rousette, and it's difficult to take the latest round of criticisms seriously when it's been obvious for a long time that some (not all) of those posting have always disliked her and sought to spin everything she does negatively. Even on this thread there are people confidently proclaiming that she's a narcissist, speculating about her trip to Canada, and being offended by a dress she wore.

As far as the court case goes, I've stated my view and I will again. Essentially she provided boilerplate background information to Scobie via Knauf. She described the points made as reminders which obviously implies that this information was previously known to him and would have been the kind of thing they were pretty used to doing as he was her communications director. At no point do the emails show her or Harry collaborating in the sense that has been claimed on here for a long time, quite the opposite. She has apologised for this. The court can decide what to do with it.

@Roussette

Got to love these 'M can't do anything right' brigade!

But of course that's not a synonym for those who criticise some specific actions.

Criticising some is not the same as 'can't do anything right'. Just as praising others doesn't make it 'can't put a foot wrong'

Roussette

I haven't seen any of those

You are joking surely.... years of threads, hundreds of them and none of it was unwarranted criticism?

I certainly remember those threads and - while I'm by no means a supporter of MM these days - I was surprised by some of the language employed.
However, to be fair, I've been following this thread and it seems to have been fairly balanced.
I suppose this might be the first MM thread some people may have contributed to and, hence, think all criticism has been similarly balanced.
(I appreciate that there have been deletions, but I don't think I've seen any of them before they were zapped)

So the information about Samantha - three children by different fathers and lost custody of all three - would be known by JK?

There is so much in the book which is pure Meghan fluff and so personal that it could only have come “directly “ from her - camping adventures and pissing in bushes etc.

That’s collaboration or cooperation, whatever you want to call it.

I haven't read the book but if it's anything like The Crown, surely there's a fair bit of 'artistic licence' in writing things that could only be known to those present? What is Meghan fluff, anyway?

So the information about Samantha - three children by different fathers and lost custody of all three - would be known by JK?

In response to this - I don't know, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't have been exceptional to give background in this way and she did describe it as 'reminders'.

@Aspiringmatriarch

So the information about Samantha - three children by different fathers and lost custody of all three - would be known by JK?

In response to this - I don't know, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't have been exceptional to give background in this way and she did describe it as 'reminders'.

This is the most disgusting fact of this whole debacle. Vicious and unnecessary.

Meghan did not have a sit down with Omid.

Jason was never subpoenaed, he voluntarily went to MoS with information that was wholly not relevant to the crux of the case at all.

The last judge told Meghan that she collaborated with Omid. He still threw the case out. He was a media lawyer before, he is well versed and know the rules. He followed the law to the latter.

The MoS is chancing it, while smearing MM on something that has nothing to do with the case. This case will be thrown out as well. But I believe that MoS has another chance at appeal. They don't mind, they have so many lawsuits against them, they practically live in the courts. They will make their appeal because they are making money off this. Even though MM's lawyers want them to pay the profits they are making, I'm sure they know she cannot get ALL the profits they are making. They will definitely find ways to fudge the accounts.

On her side, last week MM said she is doing this for fairness, so she is not giving up either. If she loses here, she also has a chance to appeal. Currently, I think everything just sits with the lawyers.

MM was paid 400K (and legal fees, I believe). Difference ofcourse is that MoS have unlimited funds - the taxpayer is always there to help them when they feel like it. MM does not.

@Aspiringmatriarch

I haven't read the book but if it's anything like The Crown, surely there's a fair bit of 'artistic licence' in writing things that could only be known to those present? What is Meghan fluff, anyway?

That Amazon listing makes it sound like it's supposed to be factual

It was Samantha's children themselves who talked about the custody. I saw one of them giving an interview.

JK was briefed previously, probably like all other times. This was not news to him. Maybe MM thought he also had a deleting software on his phone and would not remember with all the correspondence they deal with. Turns out he does not have the same software.

@SallyLockheart

So the information about Samantha - three children by different fathers and lost custody of all three - would be known by JK?

There is so much in the book which is pure Meghan fluff and so personal that it could only have come “directly “ from her - camping adventures and pissing in bushes etc.

That’s collaboration or cooperation, whatever you want to call it.

Did he not also claim they got engaged at the place? When everyone knows they said it was over a roast chicken at Harry's cottage.

To be fair, he seems to be one that was the least lazy of biographers. He surely looked at where they went camping and looked for toilets, it only makes sense for him to conclude they used a bush. It could be true or not - but quite likely. Definite artistic license.

@BreadInCaptivity

When I read of all the reasons supporting H&M and explaining their actions in "needing" to get $$$ through book/streaming deals and promoting themselves in interviews, keeping their titles and buying an $18m home I'm tempted to compare and contrast what's happened in Japan.

Just today, former Princess Mako has arrived in NYC with her now husband.

They'll be living in a one bedroom apartment where he lived whilst working for a law firm (and will resume). She's expecting to get a job to support herself and turned down the £890k "severance" that other members of the imperial family received.

I'll bet good money that we won't see them on Oprah to give their truth, despite the public/press backlash their marriage caused in Japan and the mental health issues it caused Mako (as confirmed by royal statements). Nor do I expect we will see £25m book deals and $100m signings with Netflix.

They'll get on with their lives as private citizens despite all the reasons why this wasn't at all possible for H&M.

@BreadInCaptivity well said

That Amazon listing makes it sound like it's supposed to be factual

I think I'd take it with a big pinch of salt, personally. Didn't the book actually contradict some of what M & H have said publicly?

He surely looked at where they went camping and looked for toilets, it only makes sense for him to conclude they used a bush. Ha ha ha

Omid? Least lazy biographer? Direct from the horses’s mouth you mean.

@Aspiringmatriarch

That Amazon listing makes it sound like it's supposed to be factual

I think I'd take it with a big pinch of salt, personally. Didn't the book actually contradict some of what M & H have said publicly?

Yes it does. The book says no one cried (unlike the Oprah interview) and she criticised the writing style. Knowing what we know now was she trying to deflect from everyone saying she helped FF with details?

Even in the correspondence to Jason, she does talk about uneasiness regarding talking to this person (Omid). Those were private, why would she deflect to Jason.

@SallyLockheart

Omid? Least lazy biographer? Direct from the horses’s mouth you mean.

I mean not making up rubbish like MM throwing tea in someone's face or being thrown out of Charles garden party, ala Lady C.

Even in the correspondence to Jason, she does talk about uneasiness regarding talking to this person (Omid)

Well, she does in the first email, but by the last one she is talking of inviting him to cover a Royal event, which he tweeted about attending according to pp.

Also, don’t forget that there were emails from Harry too where he says that if Knaufnis not going to talk to Scobie and Durant, then he would like to do it himself.

three children by different fathers and lost custody of all three As far as I can find out by Googling, Samantha Markle has been married twice. There are two children from the first marriage and one from the second. The phraseology makes it sound as if she had three children from three different fathers.

The whole FF thing could have been briefed so better. Rather than their vehement denial of collaboration and text messages saying they wanted to still be able to say "they had no input"

They should have said "Meghan has given some background information on her family and past to avoid miss truths"

That would have covered it and we would have all gone, ah ok she wanted to speak about her family and personal history, then when these text messages and e-mails were presented they could have said "we always said Meghan gave a personal insight to her family life and past previous to her engagement and marriage to the royal family, there was no collaboration on her current situation as a senior royal"

That would have withstood the test of time. But instead they went down the route of "no we never" "no we didn't" signed affidavits to state "no calloboration".

Where as ultimately nobody would have batted an eyelid at her talking about her sister to a biographer about her life. 🤷🏻‍♀️

The thing about the press and briefings is you always want to think forward and what if. Nothing is certain so be vague and you won't be caught out on a fib.

@smilesy

Even in the correspondence to Jason, she does talk about uneasiness regarding talking to this person (Omid)

Well, she does in the first email, but by the last one she is talking of inviting him to cover a Royal event, which he tweeted about attending according to pp.

He wrote an article about it, it was the CW students do when MM was leaving. She only invited him and Town and Country. Both write that this was the first time they were meeting her.

At some point, she was probably told these were the mildest journalists in the UK, and would not twist her words.

Jason was never subpoenaed, he voluntarily went to MoS with information

This is interesting. What does that mean about his NDA? Would it have been voluntarily waived?