Meghan court case live today

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Wither stick. Wither is a word. Why did it autocorrect that 🤷‍♀️

Playing Devil's advocate here but is it possible that the royal approved doctors are UK based and Meghan might have preferred a US based person?

I wondered that too but surely if you are feeling suicidal you just need help quickly. Any help. And you are probably not thinking clearly enough to care where it comes from.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm 100% sure the therapists wouldn't break confidentiality

Well plenty of Diana'd did
Okay, so rather than highly regarded professionals some were charlatans with a set of crystals or god knows what, but no doubt they all insisted it was confidential too

As said, I totally get why Meghan may not have been comfortable using a "royal doctor" and wouldn't blame her ... but since when has she been keen on palace advice anyway?

From what I've observed, Meghan did try her best with the rf. But something was not right, and it looks like there were individuals who did not open up to her. It could be just the British way of people being suspicious of outsiders first and taking too long to accept - Americans and other countries seem to work on an innocent till proven guilty way, iyswim.

Her letter about use me as you see fit and open laughing American way may have been viewed suspiciously.

But, I think some people (like MM) may wear thin on this behaviour and think, sod it, I tried my best. Her black heritage does not help in her thinking this may be something more than just not liking an outsider.

@rubicscubicle

Why is everyone going on about Portland Drs. The dr's are there to help support you for a short term. They will then give you a reference for longer term to someone else. Surely the palace has to sign off on that, and make sure that the therapist is appropriate, approved and confidential enough. It sounds like that is what they were not willing to do.

If MM just goes ahead and phones some random, saying yes we know him, and the info is leaked, bugged, stolen etc. Surely you all will be here, saying why did she not use approved dr's by the palace since they know who is the best etc.

It has also been pointed out on previous threads that Meghan could have sought therapy in the US, through her friends or from previous therapists. I think Meghan had lots of possibilities of who to talk to. It was possibly a matter of who to trust perhaps.

@BligeMe

Before she sued, I'd never heard about the so called leaked letter. But as I love a bit of royal smut as much as anyone else, you can bet I looked it up, and I'm following the story now. This case continues, and is in the newspapers now, and plenty of people here have seen to comment. Yesterday the pair of them turned up to a Veterans thing in New York, with her dressed in a totally inappropriate revealing red ball gown. Is it a case of any attention is better than no attention? You know, like when your 2 year old plays up even though they'll get spoken to sharply, because that's better than being ignored?

I noticed H and M were both wearing red poppies. I know it's done in the UK but I didn't realize they wear them in the USA. If asked I would have thought it's a British Legion thing in the UK, so were H and M wearing them for their British connection?

so were H and M wearing them for their British connection?

Harry served in the British army so he is very aware of the RBL and what the Poppy represents.
He also worked closed with RBL when he ran the Invictus games.

For Harry I believe he is wearing it out of personal choice/respect and Megan is wearing it in order to show respect/support for Harry.

I noticed H and M were both wearing red poppies. I know it's done in the UK but I didn't realize they wear them in the USA

Yes poppies are a thing in the US and many other countries, although I don’t know if the practice is as widespread as in the UK

@BananaPB

I can't believe that Harry couldn't have been even called one of his friends for the contact details of a therapist. He will know some rich and powerful people who manage to see a therapist without the public having a clue.

Playing Devil's advocate here but is it possible that the royal approved doctors are UK based and Meghan might have preferred a US based person?

WRT hacking, I wonder if plastic surgeons and therapists are at risk from computer hackers who might want client info from their systems ?

The problem with just calling a friend without palace approval is that there were too many people/media invested and making money out of MM. too much interest.

Think about it, and these scenarios are not that improbable in MM's case.

• An assistant/security at the Dr's office gets paid 15-25K pa for their job. Someone comes along and offers them 70 - 200K to just make sure that the camera is not working for a week. Someone 'breaks in' and steals files. No one can link it to the assistant, and they just made 8 times their annual salary in a day. Even if fired under suspicion, no proof means they just brought themselves a house, and can find another job or be self employed without any mark on their name. The papers themselves make way much more.

So I can see why H&M would first ask the palace before anyone. For years they have been having confidential therapists who never leaked on Charles, or W or H or anyone really.

The hell is so difficult for the palace to do this anyway, other than malice.

I know it's a bit off-topic, upinaballoon, but yes red poppies are a thing in the USA. They're used around their Memorial Day at the end of May, which is their version of our Remembrance Day

Here you go: www.legion.org/poppyday

Thank you for the red poppies replies. Well, they weren't only British boys who fell where the poppies grew up afterwards.

The hell is so difficult for the palace to do this anyway, other than malice

Oh come on. They are unlikely to stop her being able to access help if she is experiencing a mental health crisis. What would have happened if she had gone through with her thoughts and it had come out that they had not helped? Do you really think they would have thought “let’s just leave her to kill herself “ Why would they be so malicious as to not offer her help anyway? What utter nonsense.

Rubics. What a complete load of bs. Harry had access to mental health professionals, mostly likely just a phone call away.

Well, they weren't only British boys who fell where the poppies grew up afterwards.

Nobody said they were.
The Poppy represents all who fell in 1914 and the subsequent conflicts not just British subjects.

@smilesy

The hell is so difficult for the palace to do this anyway, other than malice

Oh come on. They are unlikely to stop her being able to access help if she is experiencing a mental health crisis. What would have happened if she had gone through with her thoughts and it had come out that they had not helped? Do you really think they would have thought “let’s just leave her to kill herself “ Why would they be so malicious as to not offer her help anyway? What utter nonsense.

Why were the 'palace source' so malicious as to leak everything about MM? What rock have you been hiding under these last few years.

No need to be rude Rubicscubicle. They may leak stories but I doubt they’d stand by while somebody took their own life. Not quite in the same league.

@smilesy

No need to be rude Rubicscubicle. They may leak stories but I doubt they’d stand by while somebody took their own life. Not quite in the same league.

I am rude @smilesy?

You just said I talk 'utter nonsense'.

And someone below you said it was complete 'bollocks'.

As for the rf.

They stood by and someone lost a baby - no doubt due to stress. People were looking on with horror, some intervened. The rf. Not. a. single. word.

Anyway, back to the thread topic. It would seem that more of the texts about the letter to Thomas Markle between Meghan and Knauf have been made public.

They stood by and someone lost a baby - no doubt due to stress. People were looking on with horror, some intervened. The rf. Not. a. single. word.

Sorry, who are you talking about?

So I can see why H&M would first ask the palace before anyone. For years they have been having confidential therapists who never leaked on Charles, or W or H or anyone really.

The hell is so difficult for the palace to do this anyway, other than malice.

Yes, what possible motive could the palace have for denying Meghan immediate mental health care? Bearing in mind she was rightly able to choose her own team for pregnancy care (which I thought included her preferred US doctors). The only motive would have to be pure malice / cruelty. Which sounds extremely far fetched, certainly in the context of everything else, which is why so many people just don’t believe this is what really happened.

What would H&M have to gain by making out the palace were mean? Quite a lot actually. On a global scale.

But now this week it’s been proven that Meghan is capable of misleading under oath in a court of law (whether intentional or not) and Harry was also proven to be ok with intentionally mislead the public re Finding Freedom. Also not forgetting Meghan was also happy to manipulate the public by ‘pulling on heartstrings’ with ‘dear Daddy’ if her letter was ever made public. this makes it even more likely that their version of events, on any claim they make, can not be reliable. If they had any credibility before, I don’t know how anyone can argue they still do.

So I’m not sure how you can keep insisting everything they say is as good as fact. They are misleading people. They are not the saints you seem to want to portray.

As to why the palace haven’t ‘leaked’ an opposing story, this was one of a number attacks made on the royal family by them. If we are to believe reports, Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal and no doubt he had something to say about this. However the Queen had final stay and we got the recollections may vary statement.

Love the way people are excusing Meghan for lying! Oh sorry, I mean how she ‘forgot’ that she collaborated despite a lengthy legal battle over it.

As pp said she’s indeed ‘teflon coated’.

Knauf has emails with PH saying ‘yes it must look as though we’ve had nothing to do with this’. Wow.

@smilesy

Playing Devil's advocate here but is it possible that the royal approved doctors are UK based and Meghan might have preferred a US based person?

I wondered that too but surely if you are feeling suicidal you just need help quickly. Any help. And you are probably not thinking clearly enough to care where it comes from.

I think if you are suicidal, being pernickety about the country of origin of the therapist would seem a bit far fetched. There must be plenty of US born psychotherapists in London anyway! She could also have worked on Zoom with someone from the US. Presumably Harry is doing this if he is sticking with his original therapist.

@rubicscubicle

As for the rf.

They stood by and someone lost a baby - no doubt due to stress. People were looking on with horror, some intervened. The rf. Not. a. single. word.

No doubt? Of course there’s doubt. Meghan is an older mother and 1 in 8 pregnancies end in miscarriage with the risks increasing substantially the older the mother. Are you actually saying that you have first hand knowledge that stress was the cause? Because that is what asserting that there’s “no doubt” implies.

@rubicscubicle

As for the rf.

They stood by and someone lost a baby - no doubt due to stress. People were looking on with horror, some intervened. The rf. Not. a. single. word.

Rubics what does that have to do with miscarriage. Can you imagine if the RF had raised this - the press would have asked the RF to sort Harry out for all his racist remarks first. Does everything have to be played out in the media?

Re the miscarriage, that is first and foremost a private event and the RF quite rightly let Meghan lead on the that. In the same way that both Zara and Sophie lead on how they disclosed their own miscarriages.