Meghan court case live today

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@madisonbridges

"Yes, MM was news were followed, so that it would not be above the press to bug or break into a therapy office she is seeing, hence why she needed to follow protocol and have the palace organise one for her. Therapy rehab exist where the press cannot get ahold of any information. The one in Marylebone hosts all sorts of high profile heirs, celebrities, etc. Not a single word has ever been leaked. I remember the only thing the press. could cover was a high profile patient who used to order food from a Michelin restaurant nearby. They managed to just intercept that info because of delivery, other than that, they had nothing at all, about his sessions, or anything that goes on inside, no matter how much they were all over the case."

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I don't believe the press would bug the therapy offices. I'm 100% sure the therapists wouldn't break confidentiality. But there are lots ofa other people that go in and out of rehab centres. The press would pay a fortune and risk fines to know that she was in rehab. There's a huge possibility it would be leaked and she'd know that. And rehab centres where you stay usually use private sessions and group sessions. If she couldn't participate in group sessions (and who could blame her for being reluctant to talk), I don't think her therapy would be very helpful.
Anyway, you don't just walk into rehab centres with your bags packed and say you want to stay. You have to be referred. Hence you have to go to your doctor first.

Ok, so my thoughts are that she could have talked about this to her maternity dr, maybe not. Who knows. After all, we do not know how long she was under the Portland Drs, since the press did not expect her to give birth there, and it was framed as a last minute thing. So, we have no idea if she had Dr from there assigned to her for how long. Was she comfortable talking to this dr about her problems? I don't know.

Let's say she does tell the Dr, I cannot imagine its as simple as the Dr just writing a name and number as they would with us plebs. Maybe the Dr say, ok you need to see someone for a long term for this. I have names to recommend to you, how does that sound. MM says, yes, but I have to check with the palace if they are royal approved. Looks to me that is when the problem came in.

Yes, MM said, you don't just call an uber to go to the therapist from the palace.

As for the press not bugging a therapy office. They would go to all sorts of low. I'm sure you remember Piers M doctoring soldier pics and hacking a dead girls phone - how he is not languishing in jail is beyond me. They have no scruples. A private eye recently revealed how he was hired by the sun to hack MM and go though her social security etc. There is still the pending case on them hacking Chelsea Davy to etc. So, it would not be beyond them to hack, steal, bribe assistants etc. Hence MM needed the seal of approval from the palace as to who she could use.

We know she is well now. It looks like she did get the help without leaks. hence the speculation that the weeks they took to go to Canada were infact therapy sessions.

Going back to the dress ( sorry sorry I know it’s off topic 😬), I was struck that the fact that it was red was an example of “literal”dressing which the Royal women often do. It is the colour of poppies (and I agree that there is some very weird boob action going on there).

@Serenster

Surely the palace has to sign off on that, and make sure that the therapist is appropriate, approved and confidential enough. It sounds like that is what they were not willing to do

How you square this with Diana regularly consulting a psychic and seeing a Chinese medical practitioner I do not know…

A psychic who publicly talks about her? Are you saying these people were recommended by the palace?

Sorry not getting your point.

Not sure what this is about. Denying reading? Demanding proof? I never demand proof because this all just tittle tatttle really. None of us know the truth to everything. (And even Meghan and Harry have admitted that they can't remember the full truth of things either! 😉 )

Sorry Madison, this was not specifically about you. A general observation about a lot of posters.

Rubicscubicle since Andy Coulson went to jail for 18 months for phone hacking (and another 3 of his News of the World colleagues were also convicted) the press have understandably backed off from such illegal and intrusive actions. Something that Meghan was lucky to avoid, due to the timing of her relationship with Harry. Harry, William and Kate in particular were not so fortunate - Kate’s voicemails messages were listened to more than 150 times.

Rubicscubicle what Serenster is sayin, I believe, is that Diana had access to psychics and Chinese medicine and these were hardly likely to have been approved by the Palace. Her point is that MM could have gone anywhere to get help and that palace approval is not necessary. Do you not think it unlikely that if someone were suffering a mental health crisis they would be prevented from accessing help? Or that they would not just access it anyway. Especially as Harry has experience in this area. I repeat, if someone you love confides in you that they are suicidal, you are unlikely to wait around for some sort of approval to access help.

@Serenster

Rubicscubicle since Andy Coulson went to jail for 18 months for phone hacking (and another 3 of his News of the World colleagues were also convicted) the press have understandably backed off from such illegal and intrusive actions. Something that Meghan was lucky to avoid, due to the timing of her relationship with Harry. Harry, William and Kate in particular were not so fortunate - Kate’s voicemails messages were listened to more than 150 times.

Well they are still doing it.

As I said, the recent revelation from the PI who hacked MM. Now they cleverly do not put all the details in writing, so they can untangle themselves. So the sun said we asked him to do investigation, but we did not instruct him to hack (not in writing they mean).

Not too long ago, Hugh Grant, caught one of those PIs at his house redhanded. The guy apologised, and they had a nice chat and he went on to tell Hugh about the nefarious things the papers do and now helps Hacked off regarding their spying strategies.

@smilesy

Rubicscubicle what Serenster is sayin, I believe, is that Diana had access to psychics and Chinese medicine and these were hardly likely to have been approved by the Palace. Her point is that MM could have gone anywhere to get help and that palace approval is not necessary. Do you not think it unlikely that if someone were suffering a mental health crisis they would be prevented from accessing help? Or that they would not just access it anyway. Especially as Harry has experience in this area. I repeat, if someone you love confides in you that they are suicidal, you are unlikely to wait around for some sort of approval to access help.

I get her point, and I am pointing out that getting your own help means those people can leak and you will not be covered/ protected by the palace. Hence why MM's first port of call is to ask the palace before doing her own thing. They are now frustrated by the palace reaction to that call for help.

As I have been saying a number of times, MM is fine now, and obviously did get the help eventually, but is telling us what happened when she did ask the palace for such help.

There is a reason why there is an HM seal for everyone used by the palace, they have been checked and approved. So it makes sense for that to be their first port of call. Don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It’s not hard to understand but equally why is it hard to understand that there would already be in place a list of doctors etc that the Royals can have access to? Directly. Without going via HR.

@rubicscubicle

It was already discussed on here.

Diana and Sophie, also had special invites to something or the other that was the first time it was done. I am not talking about Sandrigham specifically.

No, but everyone else is. It's the family Christmas, and no one else has been invited before marriage. It was an honour, unprecedented and noted in the press as such at the time. As was the early engagement with the Queen, and the gift of the major patronage of rye National Theatre

Don't know why this is so hard to understand

Because, as far as we know, this is all coming from your imagination, and not any knowledge of the facts?

As for the Sun hiring a PI to access a social security number, there’s a bit to untangle there. He did, but it’s not entirely clear whether he was asked to do so.

The Sun did hire a US Private Investigator to give them details of Meghan, to use for their journalistic purposes. This is entirely legal in the US, although what such PIs can and cannot search is regulated.

Under the relevant regulations the PI can lawfully access databases of personal information, including social security numbers. It is however unlawful to access this information for the purposes of journalism. The Sun maintained that they never asked or instructed the PI to provide them with Meghan’s social security number, and asked him to sign an undertaking that he would not do anything illegal in undertaking his activities.

So the Sun had set up a paper trail to demonstrate that they didn’t want him to do anything illegal. Of course in practice they may well turned a blind eye to it. They are certainly underhand, but not outright stupid (I have no time for tabloids and their abusive practices, but they have definitely, definitely improved in the last 10 years. Not voluntarily of course, but it’s something).

Posted too soon. Or even as an absolute last resort if she felt she couldn’t get help via these approved sources, why couldn’t she call Samaritans or some other mental health helpline? As lots of people have said, Harry is involved in this sort of thing. Anyone can use them anonymously. It beggars belief that having identified that she was suffering with her mane two health, she could not access any help at all.

Mental health. Not mane two. Interesting if slightly bizarre autocorrect 😂

@rubicscubicle. I have no idea about any maternity doctors. I don't know where she gave birth or who her obstetrician was. I don't really care and Im not that keen on babies either. So I can't comment on any of that. But I'm very confident that she was registered with a doctor and a dentist. I used to teach overseas students at uni. One of the first things we did was take them to a doctor for their shots and to register. It's just what people do.

I'm sure her doctor is a private doctor. He'd give her ant-depressants. Why wouldn't he recommend a couple of psychotherapists? Who says they have to be palace approved? Because of confidentiality? All doctors are bound by confidentiality so why is that an issue? It just doesn't make sense. I doubt the palace send MI5 round to sweep for bugs but if you're that concerned, you'd just have them come to Frogmore House. Maybe you inform someone in case the press sniffs round, but ask permission? I can't see Princess Anne ringing up to ask permission. Lol.

I doubt that she would go to a therapist - they would come to her at Windsor. But, honestly, Princess Diana, much more stalked than Meghan or Kate, saw all sorts of whacks and no one ever caught onto that.

I dislike Piers Morgan greatly. I mean really a lot. Soldiers may well have died because of his stupid photo. He might have known phone hacking was happening and did nothing about it. However, there was never any proof that either he hacked or that he instructed anyone else to hack Milly Dowlers phone. NotW was involved in the hacking and Andy Coulson was jailed for it. If there was any evidence that Morgan had been involved, there's no doubt that he would have been in court too.

The Sun hired Daniel Hanks to do background checks on MM. Hanks said he broke the law to get the info but he could have got it all legally apart from her social security numbers which the Sun never used. There is no proof that her phone was hacked. In 2019 Harry sued the sun, mirror and NotW for hacking in the early 2000s. If he thought MM's phone has been hacked, I'm sure they'd sue for that too. They didn't and never have.

Who knows if she got help? Maybe when she'd left the UK, she felt better and didn't need help. We actually know very little about her health which is as it should be...at least if she and Harry didn't keep yabbering on about it.

@rubicscubicle

Not sure what this is about. Denying reading? Demanding proof? I never demand proof because this all just tittle tatttle really. None of us know the truth to everything. (And even Meghan and Harry have admitted that they can't remember the full truth of things either! 😉 )

Sorry Madison, this was not specifically about you. A general observation about a lot of posters.

👍 Probably my fault. Yours and my posts are so long! 🤭

I get her point, and I am pointing out that getting your own help means those people can leak and you will not be covered/ protected by the palace

To be fair, no one leaked on Diana til Diana leaked on herself!! And im pretty sure most things were revealed after she died not whilst she was still alive. I doubt a private psychiatrist is going to leak on a client. They'd be struck off for one thing.

@smilesy

Rubicscubicle what Serenster is sayin, I believe, is that Diana had access to psychics and Chinese medicine and these were hardly likely to have been approved by the Palace. Her point is that MM could have gone anywhere to get help and that palace approval is not necessary. Do you not think it unlikely that if someone were suffering a mental health crisis they would be prevented from accessing help? Or that they would not just access it anyway. Especially as Harry has experience in this area. I repeat, if someone you love confides in you that they are suicidal, you are unlikely to wait around for some sort of approval to access help.

To be honest. I see it as a wither stick to bear the RF with. ‘They wouldn’t let me!’ ‘They took away my passport!’ Insinuating that she was kept a prisoner . Absolute nonsense. Of course she could have seen any psychotherapist she wanted to at any time in private. She did t want to pay for it is my guess. If she wanted the Palace to pay for it , that would have been a whole different scenario. It would have had to be approved and paid for out of Duchy funds I assume . Since her dresses etc were paid for by Charles.

@CauliflowerCheese30

I think the only person who would leak about where she was would have been Meghan herself.

😂😂😂 Harsh but possibly true.

Another stick

Beat not bear..

I'm 100% sure the therapists wouldn't break confidentiality

Well plenty of Diana'd did
Okay, so rather than highly regarded professionals some were charlatans with a set of crystals or god knows what, but no doubt they all insisted it was confidential too

As said, I totally get why Meghan may not have been comfortable using a "royal doctor" and wouldn't blame her ... but since when has she been keen on palace advice anyway?

These are the kind of places very high profile people go to for rehab treatment, no one ever hears a word about their whereabouts.

kusnachtpractice.com/articles/the-melancholy-of-the-wealthy/

@PickupaPenguin8 I quite like the idea of a 'wither stick' - does one point the wither stick and the recipient immediately shrivels up - I can see it featuring in the Marvel Universe...

@myrtleWilson I liked either stick to. And madisonbridges “ant-depressants”. 😂Autocorrect is comedy gold sometimes

I can't believe that Harry couldn't have been even called one of his friends for the contact details of a therapist. He will know some rich and powerful people who manage to see a therapist without the public having a clue.

Playing Devil's advocate here but is it possible that the royal approved doctors are UK based and Meghan might have preferred a US based person?

WRT hacking, I wonder if plastic surgeons and therapists are at risk from computer hackers who might want client info from their systems ?