Meghan court case live today

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Were you referring to Meghan losing her baby, Rubicscubicle. How was that anything to do with the RF? She was already in the States. Or were you referring to someone else?

So I’m not sure how you can keep insisting everything they say is as good as fact. They are misleading people.

And why does anyone keep insisting that the palace is good as fact when they have lied so much too.

If we are to believe reports, Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal and no doubt he had something to say about this.
And why didn't he ? After all, the palace was fine with embroiling themselves in trolling a newborn by 'correcting' the story about baby Lili - a strange battle to pick to stand on.

recollections may vary statement.
I wish people would stop being so smug about this phrase which is incredibly rude and disrespectful to people of colour, dismissing racism claims in this way when you head the commonwealth is just vile.

@upinaballoon

Thank you for the red poppies replies. Well, they weren't only British boys who fell where the poppies grew up afterwards.

I think the it’s mostly Commonwealth counties that uses poppies as a symbol of commemoration (and the uS too it seems). They use cornflowers in France, for example (another lovely wildflower, though I don’t know if it was chosen for the same reason poppies were.

I think if you are suicidal, being pernickety about the country of origin of the therapist would seem a bit far fetched. There must be plenty of US born psychotherapists in London anyway! She could also have worked on Zoom with someone from the US. Presumably Harry is doing this if he is sticking with his original therapist.

Well to open up to a therapist you must trust them. If you don't, you are not going to solve anything.

We know nothing about who Harry is seeing as a therapist.

She comes across as someone devoid of moral code, the ability to lie and bad mouth her DH's entire family and his country of origin. Imagine what it takes to go to the tv and do that? Only people with a personality trait who do not lose any sleep over the damage they have caused.

My dysfunctional step father once character assassinated me and the entire UK as a nation as in his mind he was always right and superior to anyone else in the world. (My crime was to be independent and have left my country of origin to live in the UK.)

When H&M engagement pictures were published, wearing the 50k dress was the first red flag. Anyone who professes to be a humanitarian wouldn't consider it appropriate but she simply couldn't help herself.

And why does anyone keep insisting that the palace is good as fact when they have lied so much too

Sorry, what did the Palace lie about?

@rubicscubicle

So I’m not sure how you can keep insisting everything they say is as good as fact. They are misleading people.

And why does anyone keep insisting that the palace is good as fact when they have lied so much too.

If we are to believe reports, Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal and no doubt he had something to say about this.
And why didn't he ? After all, the palace was fine with embroiling themselves in trolling a newborn by 'correcting' the story about baby Lili - a strange battle to pick to stand on.

recollections may vary statement.
I wish people would stop being so smug about this phrase which is incredibly rude and disrespectful to people of colour, dismissing racism claims in this way when you head the commonwealth is just vile.

I don't think it was smug, rude or disrespectful. Meghan and Harry told their stories - and most of them have been proved not to be quite truthful and the palace without going into details replied that recollections may vary which is the truth.

The RF sending public sympathy about the miscarriage would have infuriated Sussex supporters who blame the Windsors for the miscarriage when sadly a proportion of pregnancies are be that way. Nobody knows if they were privately contacted.

I don't recall public statements being made by the family when other members sadly lost their babies.

I agree that t he Lilibet naming story is strange. After threats of legal action and people speculating about whether the Queen was asked in well in advance or told a short while before the public announcement it's gone quiet on that front. Perhaps his memoir will clarify this.

The Rf did not have to disclose anything about MM's pregnancy. But even KM got a break when she was pregnant - even praise about how "lovingly and tenderly" she is holding her bump. This did not happen with any of MM's pregnancies.

It does not take a genius to know that it would help for a mum to be under less stress when she is pregnant. While Dr's have no way of knowing how stress affect miscarriage, it is still suspect and women are advised to try and find ways to avoid while pregnant.

In what may prove to be a breakthrough finding, a team of scientists from Tufts University and Greece have identified a suspected chain reaction detailing exactly how stress hormones and other chemicals wreak havoc on the uterus and fetus. Their report, in the June issue of Endocrinology, may help explain why women miscarry for no obvious medical reasons and why some women have repeated miscarriages. And it could lead to measures to prevent miscarriage -- medically known as "spontaneous abortion."

It is common sense and anyone with a shred of empathy would try to avoid. The rf, have the power to influence the British media and they know it. yet did squat all.

Charles is not Top Dog so wouldn't go against his mother's wishes unless unavoidable. She was just widowed so I can understand why he felt it might not be the time to argue.

@Serenster

And why does anyone keep insisting that the palace is good as fact when they have lied so much too

Sorry, what did the Palace lie about?

I am referring to the 'palace source' and their MM make KM cry, tiaragate etc.

I could be wrong, but didn't think the "recollections may vary" was directed specifically at the claims about Archie's colour

Hard to tell since - wisely for once - the RF have said little else publicly, but wasn't the comment more a general one about the entire interview?

@rubicscubicle

The Rf did not have to disclose anything about MM's pregnancy. But even KM got a break when she was pregnant - even praise about how "lovingly and tenderly" she is holding her bump. This did not happen with any of MM's pregnancies. It does not take a genius to know that it would help for a mum to be under less stress when she is pregnant. While Dr's have no way of knowing how stress affect miscarriage, it is still suspect and women are advised to try and find ways to avoid while pregnant.

In what may prove to be a breakthrough finding, a team of scientists from Tufts University and Greece have identified a suspected chain reaction detailing exactly how stress hormones and other chemicals wreak havoc on the uterus and fetus. Their report, in the June issue of Endocrinology, may help explain why women miscarry for no obvious medical reasons and why some women have repeated miscarriages. And it could lead to measures to prevent miscarriage -- medically known as "spontaneous abortion."

It is common sense and anyone with a shred of empathy would try to avoid. The rf, have the power to influence the British media and they know it. yet did squat all.

Sorry, but leaving Meghan out of it for a moment I think it’s really important to state for anyone reading this who worries about stress around pregnancy that the NHS, WHO, CDC, royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists, and the American college of obstetricians and gynaecologists all say there is no proof of a link between stress and miscarriage.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm 100% sure the therapists wouldn't break confidentiality

Well plenty of Diana'd did
Okay, so rather than highly regarded professionals some were charlatans with a set of crystals or god knows what, but no doubt they all insisted it was confidential too

As said, I totally get why Meghan may not have been comfortable using a "royal doctor" and wouldn't blame her ... but since when has she been keen on palace advice anyway?

After she was dead. And after Diana had released her autobiography revealing all her secrets. And I'm not sure psychics and astrologers are bound by confidentiality like psychiatrists.

The pregnancy she misacarried was well after she had moved to the US, so I doubt very much that the RF stresses could have been a main cause.

Agree that family messages would be private - it was some months after the MC that she made it public - members of the RF were hardly going to comment before she did, and by the time she did it would be a bit late (and somewhat tone deaf) to make public comment that far after the event.

The quote by the pic of OH was not about the miscarriage (in case anyone was mislead by the juxtaposition)

"The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan.
The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning.
While some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members."

Was the statement issued.

@rubicscubicle

So I’m not sure how you can keep insisting everything they say is as good as fact. They are misleading people.

And why does anyone keep insisting that the palace is good as fact when they have lied so much too.

If we are to believe reports, Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal and no doubt he had something to say about this.
And why didn't he ? After all, the palace was fine with embroiling themselves in trolling a newborn by 'correcting' the story about baby Lili - a strange battle to pick to stand on.

recollections may vary statement.
I wish people would stop being so smug about this phrase which is incredibly rude and disrespectful to people of colour, dismissing racism claims in this way when you head the commonwealth is just vile.

I wish people would stop being so smug about this phrase which is incredibly rude and disrespectful to people of colour, dismissing racism claims in this way when you head the commonwealth is just vile.

No it’s not rude to defend yourself if you think you’ve been falsely accused of something, even racism. It was a direct accusation -Senior family member, about Archie. Although have you forgotten Harry and Meghan both contradicted each other on this accusation on when it happened and how many conversations there were about it? If it happened then one of them is remembering incorrrctly. Another example of unreliability.

Meghan chose to bring this particular family grievance to the globe, which was the most serious allegation, and the Queen is allowed to defend her family regardless of being head of the commonwealth.

Why do you think they didn’t name the royal or what the specific conversation was?

Pretty easy to guess why Charles didn’t do his point by point rebuttal given his mother is the Queen.

@rubicscubicle

As for the rf.

They stood by and someone lost a baby - no doubt due to stress. People were looking on with horror, some intervened. The rf. Not. a. single. word.

So after having a miscarriage which she feels was brought on by stress (there are countless other reasons for miscarriages) she chose willingly to put herself through the stress of an Oprah interview whilst pregnant

I don’t think anyone would disagree that stress can increase the chances of miscarriage. Many animals miscarry if they are chased by dogs for example and we are only animals after all. But what particular stress are you talking about here? Meghan was in the States when she sadly lost her baby. It was quite an early loss I believe which again is sadly not that uncommon and as pp have said is more common in older mothers. It was in the middle of the pandemic. Nothing particularly stressful had happened between her and the palace had happened around then had it? Or did I miss something? The Palace said they do not comment about private matters such as these which would seem sensible as it is difficult to know how individuals react. How do you know there was no empathy for her? We’re you there?

Sorry, but leaving Meghan out of it for a moment I think it’s really important to state for anyone reading this who worries about stress around pregnancy that the NHS, WHO, CDC, royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists, and the American college of obstetricians and gynaecologists all say there is no proof of a link between stress and miscarriage

Agree

Even for major stresses, such as famine or living in a war zone, any effect is far from certain.

Sorry, but leaving Meghan out of it for a moment I think it’s really important to state for anyone reading this who worries about stress around pregnancy that the NHS, WHO, CDC, royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists, and the American college of obstetricians and gynaecologists all say there is no proof of a link between stress and miscarriage.

Ah ok. Thank you 😊

So on the 'Lilibet' name which was referred to a few posts ago:

Statement 1 The Queen was not asked by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex about naming their daughter Lilibet, a Palace source has told the BBC.

Statement 2 In a letter to some news broadcasters and publishers, the law firm Schillings, which acts for Prince Harry and Meghan, said the BBC report that the Queen was not asked for permission to use the name Lilibet was false and defamatory and should not be repeated.

Statement 2 was made by the same law firm that stood up in court and said categorically their clients had nothing to do with 'Finding Freedom'.

The paper said Meghan gave information to the Finding Freedom authors in order to set out her own version of events.
But Meghan's lawyers said accusations they "collaborated" with the authors were a "conspiracy theory".

Now, in light of events over the last few days, whose statement am I more likely to believe .........🤔.

@rubicscubicle
It does not take a genius to know that it would help for a mum to be under less stress when she is pregnant. While Dr's have no way of knowing how stress affect miscarriage, it is still suspect and women are advised to try and find ways to avoid while pregnant.

Wait up. She had the miscarriage in July 2020. No one in the UK was talking about them - we were a bit preoccupied with other things. She wasn't working. No one was. She was ensconced in California, near her family, in a newly purchased £12.5m house. She said she was happy there. Harry said this us how he'd always dreamt of living. So how on earth was she under stress from the UK media? How is the RF responsible for her miscarriage?

@smilesy

I don’t think anyone would disagree that stress can increase the chances of miscarriage. Many animals miscarry if they are chased by dogs for example and we are only animals after all. But what particular stress are you talking about here? Meghan was in the States when she sadly lost her baby. It was quite an early loss I believe which again is sadly not that uncommon and as pp have said is more common in older mothers. It was in the middle of the pandemic. Nothing particularly stressful had happened between her and the palace had happened around then had it? Or did I miss something? The Palace said they do not comment about private matters such as these which would seem sensible as it is difficult to know how individuals react. How do you know there was no empathy for her? We’re you there?

In meghans latest witness statement about why she forgot about her involvement in finding freedom, she included that her miscarriage happened a couple of days after ANL were going to name the 5 friends and she had the stress of the injunction. It very much was written in a way to suggest that the stress ANL put her under caused her miscarriage.

I think Rubics is suggesting if the palace had done more to stop the racist press, then Mail on Sunday would never have printed the letter article in the first place, so Meghan would never have had to sue them, so then ANL would never have wanted to name the 5 friends, so Meghan would never have been stressed over the injunction and therefore would not have miscarried.
Quite a stretch really!

Indeed islandbeach and as it has been pointed out that there is in fact no proof of a link with stress then it is even more of a stretch.