Meghan court case live today

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@SickAndTiredAgain

I also note that the media refers to him as 'ex-aide" of MM, instead of saying he is the aide of K&W, which he still is till beginning of next year.

Presumably because his evidence comes from his position as Meghan’s communications secretary so describing him as that gives context to why these emails went between him and Meghan. I’ve not read much media coverage of this, but the bbc article also says within it that he currently works as chief executive of the royal foundation.
That seems like a perfectly reasonable way to describe him, and to write that article - mentioning both his role with Meghan and his current role.

It is very much relevant to highlight that he is a royal employee, as it's unprecedented for a royal staff to testify against a royal.

I only remember one doing it against Charles, but he was an ex-employee of the palace.

Interestingly, the palace was quick to say they are investigating as it's an HR issue, yet had told MM she could not get mental health help because she was not part of the workforce.

I think it’s fair to put the word allegedly in there since we only have MM’s word that she couldn’t get mental health help from HR and it’s possible she forgot the full extent of the conversation.

It’s also probable that HR deal with Palace employees and not members of the RF.

I don't get why MM would ask HR for mental health help, and not just phone the doctor/counsellor who'd been supporting H for years.

She wasn't an employee.

@UglyModernWindows good to hear your experience. While of course racism exists the UK is one of the most tolerant and inclusive countries The constant racist allegations for pointing out the inconsistency and hypocrisy with the Sussexes has always jarred.

The truth has come out though and even if they win the privacy bit of the court case we can all see that recollections did indeed vary.

^It is very much relevant to highlight that he is a royal employee, as it's unprecedented for a royal staff to testify against a royal.*

I didn’t say it wasn’t relevant. I said the bbc article states his current role.

Yes, though there are mixed messages around that for me. Lots in the media about Doria spending time with them, doing childcare, being there for birthday meals and all that. However, that's just what's said. For the big occasions like the wedding and Archie's birth, Doria arrived with very little time beforehand and left fairly soon afterwards. She has her own life to live in LA of course, but it seems at odds with the narrative to me. And given what Meghan has said about her period of feeling suicidal, nothing would have stopped me going to be with my daughter. I find it strange that either Doria didn't do that or that Meghan didn't confide in her about feeling so bad, if they do have a close relationship. All speculation on my part.

Wasn't Doria reported to have stayed quite a bit after Archie's birth. Also, why do you think she is out of the picture when not only was she papped, but also gets mentioned quite a lot especially now they are in the US. There was talk of them being together for thanksgiving etc. and ofcourse she was papped with Archie. Then there was speculation that there is even a granny flat at the house for her.

She came to the UK occasionally, I distinctly remember her going to an informal dinner organised by the Grenfell kitchen in some outside tents.

MM said at the interview that Doria was in tears with what was happening - so I'm not sure she is removed from the case to act a councillor . MM friend , Janina Javanker was on This Morning saying MM spoke to them all the time about what was happening to her, she included Doria and other cast members and said, they had the emails and timelines for everything that was going on with MM, and they felt quite helpless at the time. Supportive but far.

@MrsFin

The lack of mental health support allegation doesn’t make any sense. Why didn’t Harry help her to find the support she needed, given he himself had been receiving therapy? It makes no sense to me.

@MrsFin

I don't get why MM would ask HR for mental health help, and not just phone the doctor/counsellor who'd been supporting H for years. She wasn't an employee.

Yes the RF have access to a plethora of private doctors. They don't need to run it past HR, who as a pp said actually look after the employees not the actual RF.

@SickAndTiredAgain

^It is very much relevant to highlight that he is a royal employee, as it's unprecedented for a royal staff to testify against a royal.*

I didn’t say it wasn’t relevant. I said the bbc article states his current role.

GMB did not put this down, it should be up there highlighted. They just keep saying ex aide.

@CreepySpider

Interestingly, the palace was quick to say they are investigating as it's an HR issue, yet had told MM she could not get mental health help because she was not part of the workforce.

I think it’s fair to put the word allegedly in there since we only have MM’s word that she couldn’t get mental health help from HR and it’s possible she forgot the full extent of the conversation.

It’s also probable that HR deal with Palace employees and not members of the RF.

My point exactly !

Either MM is dealing as a family member and therefore things get investigated privately, like the racism claim. Or she is part of the workforce and HR investigates her as an employee. You cannot have both.

This RF is getting away with everything and doing whatever they want.

[quote WarmWinterSun]@MrsFin

The lack of mental health support allegation doesn’t make any sense. Why didn’t Harry help her to find the support she needed, given he himself had been receiving therapy? It makes no sense to me.[/quote]
It's quite obvious that at some point MM did get help, as she is well now. After all, her trolls noted that the ny pic of harry and Archie is apparently at a rehab centre.

It seems she was just following protocol at that point, and is quite miffed at the response. She was merely telling us events that took place.

Her racism claim was against family members = family matter.

The bullying claim was against people employed by the Royal family = workplace matter.

It’s not a difficult decision. It would be exactly the same in a dispute between family members of a family company, versus a claim brought by their employees.

@MrsFin

I don't get why MM would ask HR for mental health help, and not just phone the doctor/counsellor who'd been supporting H for years. She wasn't an employee.

I think that’s a little unfair. I’ve been suicidal (in my case it was PND), and wasn’t in the best state to figure out how to get help. If you’d asked me before I got ill where to go for mental health help I’d have been able to tell you, but in the middle of it it’s hard to think. Harry however, I don’t understand why he couldn’t get the help himself for her. If she was having a physical health crisis that threatened her life I’m sure he’d have moved heaven and earth, and for someone who highlights the importance of taking mental health illness seriously, I don’t understand it.

I agree about suicidal people not being able to think "straight" and that Harry should have been more proactive about this - he has a therapist and could have even asked his therapist for help.

@PickupaPenguin8

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I’ve just found this online. Doria has three siblings and Meghan seems to have seen a fair bit of them growing up. Why on earth weren’t they at the wedding? Along with Thomas Markles brothers?

Doria is an only child between her mum and dad, last time I checked. She has half siblings.

I'm not even sure these people attended Meghan's first wedding. Why would they do now?

I don't know what the protocol is regarding royal family wedding in regards with families marrying in.

I just know that aside from the three siblings, the only other Middleton I remember was Ant, the celebrity.

Jack only had his mum, dad (and possibly a brother?), there was only one other relative, a connected uncle who went to Eton. So not clear why MM is singled out as having to collect relatives she does not know.

MM is the only child between Doria and Thomas. She had not seen her half siblings in years, I doubt they even attended her other wedding. The only other person is some aunt who is close to Doria (not sure of her relation, but I understand her to be an elderly step mum, I think), and a NYC graphic designer cousin of MM, who admitted he does not know her that well. They were said to be at the wedding, but the BP did not know them, and just passed the camera over them. I don't know myself, as I could not recall what they look like exactly. I did see a US tv footage where they tracked some distant relatives, who said they wish them well, but do not know MM.

I don't understand why Harry couldn't just phone a doctor, or is that beyond his capabilities?

It is very much relevant to highlight that he is a royal employee, as it's unprecedented for a royal staff to testify against a royal

He hasn’t testified against anybody. He has provided a witness statement of what happened. He has also provided information to HaM’s lawyers. Both sides are happy for further texts between Meghan and Knauf to be submitted, according to reports I have read.
As to him being a royal aide or ex aide, this is a small detail and does not in any way change the fact that Meghan has been caught with her pants on fire so to speak. Knauf is leaving Royal employment at the end of this year, so maybe that is why he is being referred to as “ex”. You seem determined to imply that there is a conspiracy against Meghan as has often been implied on some of these threads.

@Serenster

Her racism claim was against family members = family matter.

The bullying claim was against people employed by the Royal family = workplace matter.

It’s not a difficult decision. It would be exactly the same in a dispute between family members of a family company, versus a claim brought by their employees.

If I go to my brother's company and start insulting his employees, will I be dealt with by HR as I am not an employee. Surely their rules do not apply to me, and should be a civil case.

That is why it does not make sense to say they cannot help MM as she is not an employee.

@smilesy

It is very much relevant to highlight that he is a royal employee, as it's unprecedented for a royal staff to testify against a royal

He hasn’t testified against anybody. He has provided a witness statement of what happened. He has also provided information to HaM’s lawyers. Both sides are happy for further texts between Meghan and Knauf to be submitted, according to reports I have read.
As to him being a royal aide or ex aide, this is a small detail and does not in any way change the fact that Meghan has been caught with her pants on fire so to speak. Knauf is leaving Royal employment at the end of this year, so maybe that is why he is being referred to as “ex”. You seem determined to imply that there is a conspiracy against Meghan as has often been implied on some of these threads.

It's not about conspiracy - though clearly that are some smoke and mirrors from the palace.

He is employed by K&W, so if the clearly highlights that their employee is submitting evidence against MM, people will ask, who authorised it and find it strange indeed that a palace employee is doing this.

Make no mistake, this is to portray K&W as the squeaky clean again.

It's a valid question nonetheless, their man is doing this, where are they in the middle of all of this. Mind you, I did see a report claiming he is 'breaking rank', once more to protect K&W.

@loislovesstewie

I don't understand why Harry couldn't just phone a doctor, or is that beyond his capabilities?

Don't know why people keep repeating this.

H&M told us what happened when they followed protocol. Clearly they got the help after, but this is where the palace stood when they asked for help.

If someone I lived was suicidal I would probably end inclined to think “bollocks to protocol”. I don’t think I’d risk waiting until they followed through with their feelings and then say “oh but getting help myself would have gone against protocol”. Seems like common sense to me to get help 🙄

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@rubicscubicle i know for a fact that there were a lot of Kate's family at the wedding. Aunts , Uncles , cousins , friends from the village , parents friends including the landlord of the local pub and their butcher. also the parents of several of her friends. Because Kate and William were at university together a lot of their friends were actually joint friends , plus several of Kate's fiends married Williams. At Ann's wedding there were a lot of Mark Philips family and the same with the Fergussons and the Spencers

Also that is complete rubbish about Jack Brooksbank , just because they don't have the same surname on the guest list does not mean they are not related

If I go to my brother's company and start insulting his employees, will I be dealt with by HR as I am not an employee. Surely their rules do not apply to me, and should be a civil case

I think you are wilfully misunderstanding the situation here now rubicubicle. The staff at your brother’s company do not work for you so have no rights against you (but as their employer he will owe them a duty of care not to be harassed by third parties, like you, definitely). But Meghan is not a stranger to the employees here, they officially work for her.

The best example I can think of to give you is a partnership like a large law firm, or firm like PWC or Deloitte. The “Principals” are the partners. They all sign up to a partnership agreement which governs the relations between themselves. Separately they will also have a services company which employs all the staff that work for the partnership. If there’s a dispute between the partners it will be resolved under the partnership agreement. But if there’s a dispute with the employees of the service company, it will be resolved under workplace law because the partners are their employers even if the employment contract is not with them individually.

It is not unusual also for people in this kind of arrangement to wear different “hats” at different times - principal/family member/employer.

(In this example obviously the partners/principals are the Royal family members. They don’t have a contract governing matters between them, although maybe they should .)