Meghan court case live today

[callmeadoctor]

I'm quite sure their lawyers warned them something like this might happen. But as usual, they were certain they knew better than the experts.

In general terms there is also the issue that the degree of disclosure from a client could have a significant impact on the advice given.

What might have seemed a strong legal position could turn out not to be the case if the full facts had been available on which to form that assessment or the advice may have been that even if the case was still strong, the reputational risk outweighed the benefits of going to court.

Every time this has come up, someone on here has insisted that they were there, and linked to some very grainy screencaps of unidentifiable wedding guests who appear to be black, or at least non-white. Could be them, could be any of a few billion other people. As for Thomas's brothers, I have no idea.

Well - they have never appeared on any list published so far - and I think they would have been mentioned if they were because it looks so odd when they list the bride's family and it's only Doria. There were five times more Middleton's at Harry's wedding than the bride's family.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wedding_guests_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle

I agree. The same poster also had some convoluted explanation for why they'd have been seated further back in the church rather than near Doria, who had no family with her as far as anyone could tell. Apparently it should have been obvious that Doria would prefer the company of Meghan's college friends to that of her own siblings at her daughter's wedding. And hey, I don't know these people - maybe she would have. But the whole thing never made any sense to me.

@PurpleOkapi

I agree. The same poster also had some convoluted explanation for why they'd have been seated further back in the church rather than near Doria, who had no family with her as far as anyone could tell. Apparently it should have been obvious that Doria would prefer the company of Meghan's college friends to that of her own siblings at her daughter's wedding. And hey, I don't know these people - maybe she would have. But the whole thing never made any sense to me.

And Oprah, George and Amal…

@Pinkyxx

Personally, I don't think anyone comes out looking good here however I don't like the fact that I felt sorry for MM when that letter was published. I felt genuinely that it was an awful thing for her Father to do. Now that feel she distorted the facts and played a game of smoke and mirrors.

As I see it the only thing her Father did wrong was to pose for some absurd picture reading a British magazine. He didn't ignore her, in fact quite the contrary as the texts now prove. The texts / emails between her and JK seem to demonstrate that she wrote that letter knowing it would be leaked. She worded it carefully to control the narrative and portray a certain image while showing her Father in a poor light. Same on the book she (until now) claimed to have had nothing to do with.

Using her friends to have articles printed saying she was essentially a saint was provocative and aimed to prop up the image she was trying to craft publicly. This couple with the letter, feeling deeply manipulative. The 'briefing' about her family is just unforgivable. I don't care what they've done, it's just not ok. She may not like her step sister, but the hypocrisy of claiming to be a women's advocate trailblazer and then portraying her step sister in that way is disgusting and deeply misogynistic. She lied saying her Father ignored her in the run up to the wedding, refused to return messages etc - all now seems patently false based on the texts disclosed in the appeal.

You can't on one hand cry victim then try and manipulate a situation by attacking others but not allow them the right to defend themselves. She wouldn't speak to her Father so he played in her sandbox - the press. She then sues, wins, then faced with an appeal lies to a high court.. and frames it as a lapse of memory.. this added to the many falsehoods that came to light from that now infamous Oprah interview.. I'm just inclined to feel she doesn't care much for honesty or the privacy of others, and feels she can disparage whomever she wants in whatever way she chooses but no one is allowed to utter a word to challenge her.

Give me a break.

This sums up perfectly how I feel.

And given what Meghan has said about her period of feeling suicidal, nothing would have stopped me going to be with my daughter. I find it strange that either Doria didn't do that or that Meghan didn't confide in her about feeling so bad, if they do have a close relationship. All speculation on my part

That aspect hadn't even occurred to me, and it's an interesting point

I can't see if this has been linked before (apologies if I've missed a post) - just the BBC account of yesterday's proceedings

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59251233

It says the ruling is due at a later date. Anyone know how long this would typically take?

Interesting that in The Tig it's all about gratitude to her Daddy for his unfailing support (inc financial) whereas in this legal case it's "Describing the allegations, said: "In the teeth of

@EdithWeston

And given what Meghan has said about her period of feeling suicidal, nothing would have stopped me going to be with my daughter. I find it strange that either Doria didn't do that or that Meghan didn't confide in her about feeling so bad, if they do have a close relationship. All speculation on my part

That aspect hadn't even occurred to me, and it's an interesting point

Especially given Doria’s back ground training and work in mental health.

[quote EdithWeston]I can't see if this has been linked before (apologies if I've missed a post) - just the BBC account of yesterday's proceedings

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59251233

It says the ruling is due at a later date. Anyone know how long this would typically take?

Interesting that in The Tig it's all about gratitude to her Daddy for his unfailing support (inc financial) whereas in this legal case it's "Describing the allegations, said: "In the teeth of

I think that M&H 'truth', isn't just their side of the story. It's complete fabrication that fits their narrative that they are complete victims of everyone else.

During the OW interview, when she talked of falling out with Kate, she mentioned her 'truth' while insisting Kate didn't cry and the version that was in the paper was lies. Surely it could be Kates truth, that she did cry. Kate could have been very upset after, how would MM know that 100%.

It is hypocritical to say your truth needs to be heard, while then saying your version of the story is absolute and can't be questioned.

I do think that H&M really felt comfortable with the fact that the RF wouldn't head in challenge them and would prevent staff members challenging them.

But if your 'truth' is so important, you tell the truth. You don't lie when you believe no one will find out the truth.

Its definitely not the sign of a reliable and trustworthy person, if they lie because they 100% their lie will never been found out and only tell the truth when they think they will be found out.

The thing is, now we know she's lied, what else has she lied about? Because there is no way she's told the truth about everything if she can lie in court.

I think that MM believed that with Harry and the wedding, she could reinvent herself. She’d done it successfully enough when she moved to Toronto with Suits but I believe she was massively naive about the different level of scrutiny between a player in a moderately successful cable tv show who made friends with some prominent-by-marriage / family connection Canadians and becoming a member of the BRF. She buried her LA past and husband in Toronto and thought she could bury her family with the wedding. She could have course played the same discreet privileged middle class background (which of course she had) as KM but the half siblings were an embarrassment, so she threw the lot out - why? They weren’t sophisticated enough? Too far? Too white? The uncle who has got her the embassy job was pretty instrumental in her having any credibility in her “humanitarian works” yet he was blanked. A Hollywood reinvention is just too hard to do when you have a past / are knocking on middle age and there are people around to remember. This isn’t Talullah Bankhead at 17, from the Midwest.

Too be fair, she hardly knew her half siblings and had no relationship with them. Her Aunts and Uncles are a different matter. She has cousins too who she saw growing up.
I agree about the reinvention.

archive.md/2021.11.11-195256/www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/11/11/meghans-half-sister-accuses-duchess-false-briefings/

"She told The Telegraph: “To see Jason Knauf’s evidence was shocking. I never lost custody of my kids... no court record on the planet would confirm that."

It's possible that the kids lived with their fathers by private agreement but "lost custody" suggests a judge being involved.

I think it’s all beginning to unravel.

As a pp said if MM can be shown to have lied to the court then nothing she says can be relied on. I wonder whether this is being discussed in the US? And what their views are?

I feel a tad sorry for Meghan. I think Harry was so desperate to get her down the aisle, he sold her a dream & now reality is beginning to bite. Who can blame him though, she’s stunning. I bet he couldn’t believe his luck.

I think they both sold each other a dream. They deserve each other.

Lets face it she's just in over her head, and like all these things the more lies you tell the more you need to tell,. It just takes on a life of its own.She totally misunderstood the place that the royal family has in the cultural life of the UK, love them or hate them they occupy a unique place . They might appear like celebrities but the public and the press exact a heavy price for that, in effect you are owned by the country, a living waxwork. The press love to build them up but oh how they love to tear them down.

I think she fully expected the palace to operate like a publicity person in the US , and to an extent they do , lets face it its become increasingly obvious that Harry's image has been carefully curated to hide the damaged , petulant , angry man that he sadly has become, but the priority in all their PR is the institution not the individual.

@Peaseblossum22

Lets face it she's just in over her head, and like all these things the more lies you tell the more you need to tell,. It just takes on a life of its own.She totally misunderstood the place that the royal family has in the cultural life of the UK, love them or hate them they occupy a unique place . They might appear like celebrities but the public and the press exact a heavy price for that, in effect you are owned by the country, a living waxwork. The press love to build them up but oh how they love to tear them down.

I think she fully expected the palace to operate like a publicity person in the US , and to an extent they do , lets face it its become increasingly obvious that Harry's image has been carefully curated to hide the damaged , petulant , angry man that he sadly has become, but the priority in all their PR is the institution not the individual.

Yes, exactly right.

Her half siblings are nasty , I don’t blame her for blanking them out.
I think she did pretty well for herself , she went to an excellent university , speaks three languages , very confident and eloquent , honestly I’d say she’s on higher level than most celebs.
But British society is brutal , so unwelcoming to foreigners < speaking from personal experience >,
It’s so hard to explain but I do believe they looked down on her not because of her skin tone, but because of her background and family,
I haven’t read one single bad thing about Doria’s side of the family I guess because there is nothing scandalous, but her father’s side was everything we non Americans imagined the so called regular Low class Americans to be, loud and unsophisticated.
I don’t mean to offend anyone specially , Americans , we don’t think this at all ,

"She told The Telegraph: “To see Jason Knauf’s evidence was shocking. I never lost custody of my kids... no court record on the planet would confirm that."

Have just read this. My apologies for making assumptions earlier in the thread. I do agree Meghan has lost credibility with this.

*Doria, obviously but I like that auto correct. More people called Doris, please

Meghan will be alright. The red dress looked great on her. As long as she keeps up the hard work she will be fine. All this law suits here and there is gor harrry to flex his power and oonly benefits british people for british entertainment. Outside of that, it's a non issue. The UK is not thier target market.

None of what you have written makes sense. You are not articulating any point

Probably because I wasn't trying to make one, Aquafizzle; I was simply observing what had happened already and considering how it might affect things in future

I'm sorry mine aren't the "Meghan's just hateful" or "You're all racist" type of posts, but I try to remember there's so much we simply don't know. Doesn't always work of course, but at least I try, even if it risks making some posts a bit oblique

@queenofarles

Her half siblings are nasty , I don’t blame her for blanking them out. I think she did pretty well for herself , she went to an excellent university , speaks three languages , very confident and eloquent , honestly I’d say she’s on higher level than most celebs. But British society is brutal , so unwelcoming to foreigners , It’s so hard to explain but I do believe they looked down on her not because of her skin tone, but because of her background and family, I haven’t read one single bad thing about Doria’s side of the family I guess because there is nothing scandalous, but her father’s side was everything we non Americans imagined the so called regular Low class Americans to be, loud and unsophisticated. I don’t mean to offend anyone specially , Americans , we don’t think this at all ,

Sadly I think you’re right and out of all opinions/theories on Meghan and her behaviour this is one I find makes me feel most sympathetic to her.