Meghan court case live today

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@madisonbridges

I think she was naive in regards to lacking experience in how the RF worked so she really didn't understand the institution. Kate had had a long time to stand back, work out who to trust, who to listen to, to know keeping shtum was sometimes best, to learn why the RF held their peace. She took time to meet all the family and learn how to handle different situations. Meghan just had Harry. She hardly knew anyone in the family, they isolated themselves, they found themselves at war with people around them so she had no one to trust but Harry, who actually comes across as thin skinned and paranoid. I don't think she's naive as in an innocent or ignorant person. She knew how to scheme, how to try to manipulate and control. As an actress she'd have learned how to do that for her career. She thought she could just transfer those skills across but she just didn't understand the RF institution and the public attitude towards it. I think she's badly misjudged the whole situation.

I'm more inclined to believe that narrative then your previous post, but even then I'm afraid that (having started off as someone very much on TeamH&M and understanding why they would want to leave the RF, even if I thought they didn't handle that process at all well) I'm finding it incredibly difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt over any claim they make or any truth they tell.

@LondonWolf. Don't get me wrong. The NotW was totally wrong to publish the story. MM broke no laws and everyone there was a willing participant. I don't blame him suing for compensation. And I think he said he felt a moral duty to sue to stop something similar happening to others. (Not sure how successful he was in that aim though!)

BUT. He was a really clever guy who was responsible for putting F1 on the map and making it what it is today. When he died, my first thought was to smile wryly over the Naxi orgy which I'd have forgotten about if he hadn't sued.

I'm glad he was happy to have sued and hopefully all his family are glad too. But i think he's a lesson to other people that suing does not always end up closing down an issue. It often actually just keeps the issue going.

Tig archive on her dad.
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140626024057/thetig.com/draw-your-own-box/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20140626024057/thetig.com/draw-your-own-box/

*Not sure it's possible to say he's moved on when he's working for the Cambridge's???

Different role yes, but very much part of the firm...*

Leaving shortly, apparently.

Thanks for the clarification of the timeline @PostingForTheFirstTime.

I actually think this is one of the most intriguing aspects of the whole debacle.

I can’t tell whether JK is a brave whistleblower, a duplicitous double agent or something in between.

The NotW was totally wrong to publish the story

It wasn't NOTW - it closed in 2011 (yes it really was that long ago). Did you mean MoS?

@BreadInCaptivity. It's the same narrative, just an expansion on her naivity. 😂

Personally I'm only on team Queenie and I feel H&M have not served her well so they upset me. And I think they're idiots for suing. I knew they'd lied over somethings in the Oprah interview but thought maybe there were crossed wires. Now I think she's a bit of a fibber and definitely economical with the truth.

@madisonbridges

I think she was naive in regards to lacking experience in how the RF worked so she really didn't understand the institution. Kate had had a long time to stand back, work out who to trust, who to listen to, to know keeping shtum was sometimes best, to learn why the RF held their peace. She took time to meet all the family and learn how to handle different situations. Meghan just had Harry. She hardly knew anyone in the family, they isolated themselves, they found themselves at war with people around them so she had no one to trust but Harry, who actually comes across as thin skinned and paranoid. I don't think she's naive as in an innocent or ignorant person. She knew how to scheme, how to try to manipulate and control. As an actress she'd have learned how to do that for her career. She thought she could just transfer those skills across but she just didn't understand the RF institution and the public attitude towards it. I think she's badly misjudged the whole situation.

I can believe that. But can it really all be Harry's fault? Whatever his flaws, he and his family kept them publicly contained until he met Meghan. Then things went haywire, and I suspect it was because he started listening to Meghan and doing what she wanted rather than what his family and staff advised. His family and staff knew what they were doing, and Meghan didn't, so it's not surprising that the new approach didn't work out well for either of them. But I don't think Meghan was just blindly following Harry, because I don't think Harry decided all by himself that this was the perfect time to start ignoring the expert advice that had served him well for his entire life.

@RoseAndRose

The NotW was totally wrong to publish the story

It wasn't NOTW - it closed in 2011 (yes it really was that long ago). Did you mean MoS?

NotW did the original expose on Max Mosley in 2008.

@PurpleOkapi Obviously I don't know them so I'm talking crap really - but that's true for most of us! Hehe.
I believe Meghan isn't stupid but she will have relied on Harry for advice in as far as how the RF would behave towards them and the case, and how the RF can influence things. That's really what I meant about her naivety. She wasn't involved in the family enough to find out the truth for herself so she trusted Harry. Be he's not really rational where the press is concerned so advice he gives is not going to be unbiased.
However, I totally can see how the two of them would feed off each other as they shut other people out. I think Harry always wanted to ignore the advice the family was giving but was too alone to do it. With Meghan, he wasn't alone anymore and she gave him the confidence to think he could behave as rashly as he liked.

@RoseAndRose

The NotW was totally wrong to publish the story

It wasn't NOTW - it closed in 2011 (yes it really was that long ago). Did you mean MoS?

Max Mosley and Meghan Markle both have the same initials which has led to confusion?

[quote madisonbridges]@BreadInCaptivity. It's the same narrative, just an expansion on her naivity. 😂

Personally I'm only on team Queenie and I feel H&M have not served her well so they upset me. And I think they're idiots for suing. I knew they'd lied over somethings in the Oprah interview but thought maybe there were crossed wires. Now I think she's a bit of a fibber and definitely economical with the truth.[/quote]
Fair enough.

It sounds like we are pretty much on the same page.

In statement after statement HMQ went out of her way to say "much loved" etc and cool the temperature but they kept throwing petrol bombs to fuel a fire.

I'm not sure how damaging these new revelations are to them though.

They seem to have some very hardcore supporters who seem to unwilling to concede any behaviour is inappropriate/ill-advised and their public perception in the US is probably more important to them than here and I'm not sure how well reported this new information is across the pond.

[quote LuluBlakey1]Tig archive on her dad.
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140626024057/thetig.com/draw-your-own-box/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20140626024057/thetig.com/draw-your-own-box/[/quote]
Very interesting written less than two years before she met Harry.

They seem to have some very hardcore supporters who seem to unwilling to concede any behaviour is inappropriate/ill-advised

TBF, I'm a bit like that about the Queen and Charles so I can't criticise others. But I don't really post on here because H&M supporters can be quite, er, focused in their support and seem to mob threads. I notice a definite lack of supporters on this thread. Maybe it's a coincidence that they've all just missed it. 😉 😄

Megs and Harry have just been caught out lying again. Serve them right if she has to go to court for full hearing against paper.

@Faevern. Interesting. Do they have any family left that they're speaking to? Maybe family just clutters up their life (or they won't all fit on that bench!).

I think Doria is still in their lives?

This is an interesting thread and I have thought many posts have had some quality about them. Thank you.
I got MM and MM confused for a few moments, too!

@BananaPB

I think Doria is still in their lives?

I hope so. It would be nice for the children.

@BananaPB

I think Doria is still in their lives?

Yes, though there are mixed messages around that for me. Lots in the media about Doria spending time with them, doing childcare, being there for birthday meals and all that. However, that's just what's said. For the big occasions like the wedding and Archie's birth, Doria arrived with very little time beforehand and left fairly soon afterwards. She has her own life to live in LA of course, but it seems at odds with the narrative to me. And given what Meghan has said about her period of feeling suicidal, nothing would have stopped me going to be with my daughter. I find it strange that either Doria didn't do that or that Meghan didn't confide in her about feeling so bad, if they do have a close relationship. All speculation on my part.

expressdigest.com/meghan-markles-family-share-intimate-private-photo-album/

I’ve just found this online. Doria has three siblings and Meghan seems to have seen a fair bit of them growing up. Why on earth weren’t they at the wedding? Along with Thomas Markles brothers?

Gosh. Big lies. I'm surprised their lawyers didn't properly prepare them.

Maybe they didn't take the advice but how foolhardy.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

On the other hand - the BRF will only step in if they think the institution has got something to lose by a trial going ahead. It might be that at this point they think the exposure hurts M&H far more than anyone else

You could well be right, cabingirl, but it doesn't allow for what tends to happen if H&M consider themselves thwarted in the slightest way - hence Oprah, Finding Freedom and all the rest

Allowing them to expose themselves is okay up to a point, but never forget Harry's the son of the future monarch, that William was unfortunately used as his mother's confidante, and that the two brothers were once pretty close

So who knows what Harry may have learned as he got older, and may since have shared with his wife as "proof" of how awful his family are?

None of what you have written makes sense. You are not articulating any point.

They got married in too much of a rush. For both of them. I can't get over Harry not meeting Thomas. With money and distance no object, they should have brought him into the tent, made him feel included and would then have been in a position to advise him about the press.
William quite sensibly advised Harry to slow down. And was frozen out for saying so - but he was clearly right.

@PickupaPenguin8

expressdigest.com/meghan-markles-family-share-intimate-private-photo-album/

I’ve just found this online. Doria has three siblings and Meghan seems to have seen a fair bit of them growing up. Why on earth weren’t they at the wedding? Along with Thomas Markles brothers?

Every time this has come up, someone on here has insisted that they were there, and linked to some very grainy screencaps of unidentifiable wedding guests who appear to be black, or at least non-white. Could be them, could be any of a few billion other people. As for Thomas's brothers, I have no idea.

@Aquafizzle

Gosh. Big lies. I'm surprised their lawyers didn't properly prepare them.

Maybe they didn't take the advice but how foolhardy.

I'm quite sure their lawyers warned them something like this might happen. But as usual, they were certain they knew better than the experts.