Meghan court case live today

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@Aspiringmatriarch you’re following exactly the train of thought that MM was seeking to plant in the press. What if the custody arrangements were altered after she became wheelchair bound? I’ve no idea what’s behind it but you’ve made the leap that MM’s very unpleasant plant was intended to produce.

@Snoozer11

What did Thomas Markle even do to warrant the letter in the first place?

The only thing I'm aware of is he was paid to be photographed reading a book on British History.

He was popping up here there and everywhere discussing his relationship with Meghan on TV. I can understand why a new bride would be deeply embarrassed and want him to stop.

if someone has had a history of multiple contentious relationship breakdowns etc, it does speak to the stability of their character as a whole.

I'm interested to see that it's ok to make this judgement about Samantha, but that when anyone says that perhaps Harry and Meghan's estrangement from almost all their family members might reflect on them and their character, there is vigorous disagreement about how that isn't fair.

'I'm interested to see that it's ok to make this judgement about Samantha, but that when anyone says that perhaps Harry and Meghan's estrangement from almost all their family members might reflect on them and their character, there is vigorous disagreement about how that isn't fair.'

Exactly.

All of this trouble with the Markle family could have been avoided if Harry had met the family prior to the engagement going public. They should have put protection in place for TM, instead H and M threw him to the wolves and then complained when he fed them. She should have been honest with Harry about the risks her family posed so that everyone was prepared. If necessary they could have paid them off, would it have been so bad to invite them to the wedding in exchange for their silence, it's not like Harry was short of funds. Who marries someone without having the courtesy to meet their parents anyway, the very fact that he hadn't met the family should have set off alarm bells.

Also just because someone behaves badly towards you does not give you carte blanche to behave the same way in return. She breached the privacy of her nieces and nephews as well and as far as we know they have not spoken to the press about her .

@AtillatheHun really? I feel like I'm going with the narrative that Samantha Markle is self-evidently very problematic. I have zero reason to believe she would lose custody due to using a wheelchair.

They should have put protection in place for TM, instead H and M threw him to the wolves and then complained when he fed them.

Interestingly, in one of the emails, Meghan talks about putting protection in place for her “mom” against the “egregious paps”. Why she wasn’t equally concerned about any other members of her family is a bit of a mystery 🤷‍♀️

All of this trouble with the Markle family could have been avoided if Harry had met the family prior to the engagement going public.

Iirc TM said he didn't even receive an official invitation to the wedding. He alleges that his ex-wife had someone from the consulate present her with an engagement announcement scroll too.

TM had the opportunity to meet Harry and chickened out at the last minute. Doria did meet him, however.

Also, in the txt, H does not say it in the word 'we will pay you', but he does refer to 'there is another way we can work this' which sounds like we can keep maintenance money for you. But TM was seeing all the big bucks coming in and ignored him.

MM did send someone to try and protect TM, he refused.

I didn't know that he'd declined protection. Very interesting ...

Why on earth would TM have an invited sent to him, he was supposed to be there weeks in advance and walk the bride down the iasle.

Also, in the txt,
Which text is this, please?

The ones that were submitted in court with H&M grovelling to TM and he ignored them.

@rubicscubicle

Why on earth would TM have an invited sent to him, he was supposed to be there weeks in advance and walk the bride down the iasle.

As a memento of the day. He was obviously invited but it's nice to have one.

And he would have got his 'memento' plus pics when he was here in the UK.

@Peaseblossum22

All of this trouble with the Markle family could have been avoided if Harry had met the family prior to the engagement going public. They should have put protection in place for TM, instead H and M threw him to the wolves and then complained when he fed them. She should have been honest with Harry about the risks her family posed so that everyone was prepared. If necessary they could have paid them off, would it have been so bad to invite them to the wedding in exchange for their silence, it's not like Harry was short of funds. Who marries someone without having the courtesy to meet their parents anyway, the very fact that he hadn't met the family should have set off alarm bells.

Also just because someone behaves badly towards you does not give you carte blanche to behave the same way in return. She breached the privacy of her nieces and nephews as well and as far as we know they have not spoken to the press about her .

I'm one of their biggest critics, but I'm not sure the first part is true. I agree that Harry should have made more of an effort to meet Thomas, particularly since it seems Thomas and Meghan were close enough at that time that she intended Thomas to walk her down the aisle. They had the means to do this quietly, in any location they wanted. It's possible that this would have avoided the problem, but ... given the personalities involved, that's hardly a sure thing.

The second part is definitely true. This is first I've seen that fact reported about Samantha's children, so if it's true, even the trashy tabloids had better morals than to drag them into it. And Meghan apparently wanted that info included in FF. shudder

I'm curious whether she means the state took the children away (normally only done in cases of abuse or extreme neglect), or just that the children's fathers were given primary custody (not terribly unusual, and not an indicator of wrongdoing by the mother). Either way, it's just horrendously inappropriate to drag innocent children into it like this, with the specific intention of the media publishing those personal details about their family. You'd think someone who claimed to be so concerned about the safety and privacy of her own child at that time would have understood the problem here.

Not sending an invitation to someone who's intended to be invited is indeed very strange. At least in the US, it's standard to send invitations to the bridal party, same as everyone else.

The txt :

EXCLUSIVE: The Prince wrote: “Tom, it’s Harry and I’m going to call you right now. Please pick up, thank you.”

EXCLUSIVE: It was followed by another message saying: “Tom, Harry again! Really need to speak to u. U do not need to apologize, we understand the circumstances but ‘going public’ will only make the situation worse.

EXCLUSIVE: Harry’s message went on: “If u love Meg and want to make it right please call me as there are two other options which don’t involve u having to speak to the media, who incidentally created this whole situation.

EXCLUSIVE: Prince Harry wrote: “So please call me so I can explain. Meg and I are not angry, we just need to speak to u. Thanks.” He added: “Oh any speaking to the press WILL backfire, trust me Tom. Only we can help u, as we have been trying from day 1”.

EXCLUSIVE: The legal document explains that instead of speaking to his daughter, Mr Markle issued a public statement through US gossip website
@TMZ
that he had gone to hospital because he had suffered a heart attack, and that was the first she knew of his condition.

EXCLUSIVE: The Duchess continued: “Very concerned about your health and safety and have taken every measure to protect you but not sure what more we can do if you don’t respond."

EXCLUSIVE: The Duchess’s message to her dad went on: “Do you need help? Can we send the security team down again? I’m very sorry to hear you’re in the hospital but need you to please get in touch with us… What hospital are you at?”

EXCLUSIVE: A further message from the Duchess, sent around 10 minutes later, said Mr Markle’s health was her primary concern, and offered him the protection of a security team.

EXCLUSIVE: Meghan wrote: “Harry and I made a decision earlier today and are dispatching the same security guys you turned away this weekend to be a presence on the ground to make sure you’re safe…they will be there at your disposal as soon as you need them.”

EXCLUSIVE: Meghan added: “Please please call as soon as you can.. all of this is incredibly concerning but your health is most important.”

Mr Markle, the filing reveals, responded by saying he was okay, would be in hospital “for a few days”,and refusing the offer of security, prompting pleas from his daughter to let them help,with Harry sending on details of the security team in another message from her phone.

Mr Markle responded on the evening of May 15, saying he appreciated the offer but did not feel in danger and would instead recover at a motel, the Claimant responded 10 minutes later to make a further request for the hospital details so that she would know where he was.

This is from Byline Investigate, but the txt are available online. But you all have seen and heard this before.

It should be noted at this point that the article says, H&M suspected that someone else was either reading these or was responding or telling TM to respond, they could not be sure or had any proof.

@rubicscubicle

And he would have got his 'memento' plus pics when he was here in the UK.

Why wouldn't it be sent to his home before the wedding like the other guests ?

Have there been any accounts of how did the breach betwen MM and her father first came about?

In the days of The Tig, she was posting so positively about him. About 2-3 years later, and there was a mountain of difficulties.

Fair enough, it's probably private, but as the whole of the rest of the situation is now public, I was idly wondering what had happened.

The ones that were submitted in court with H&M grovelling to TM and he ignored them

Ah ok. The ones from Harry.

Because he is not the 'other guests'. He is part of the wedding party. The main part.

@EdithWeston

Have there been any accounts of how did the breach betwen MM and her father first came about?

In the days of The Tig, she was posting so positively about him. About 2-3 years later, and there was a mountain of difficulties.

Fair enough, it's probably private, but as the whole of the rest of the situation is now public, I was idly wondering what had happened.

I’ve never read any of The Tig but I’d assume it was like any social media in that it only shows what the person wants shown. Which isn’t a criticism of her at all, as most social media is “curated” and shows a particular side. Plus I think she made money from it didn’t she? So of course it will present a particular life. So I doubt you can read a huge amount into her relationship with her father from it.

@EdithWeston

Have there been any accounts of how did the breach betwen MM and her father first came about?

In the days of The Tig, she was posting so positively about him. About 2-3 years later, and there was a mountain of difficulties.

Fair enough, it's probably private, but as the whole of the rest of the situation is now public, I was idly wondering what had happened.

Idly wondering, I would say, the problems came with Samantha. Who saw a killing in terms of how much money she could make.

Think about it.

TM has a good pension ( I think he said around 5K per month) US dollars, that is a good amount for Mexico. He has a comfortable house overlooking the sea.

He makes around 16K UK£ for a film and a few thousands per interview, what is he doing with all that money. I think he gives it to Sam and bro.

Just my thoughts.