prince William - earthshot prize

[Samcro]

could not believe it when I saw the advert for it last night. so PW is presenting this thing. the same Prince who flies all over the world.
obviously won't be watching as him and DA lecturing people about climate change is so hypocritical.
(rant over)

Camilla was still married, and Charles and Diana not divorced,only separated so still married. The heir to the throne talking like this to a married woman...okaaaaay

Real people with feelings? Yes I feel sorry for Diana and Andrew P-B

It's totally ridiculous. Just another PR exercise on behalf of the royal family.

No sympathy for Julia Carling, Oliver Hoare’s wife, Berry Manakee’s wife, Dodi al Fayed’s fiancé….?

(I wouldn’t waste your time feeling sorry for Andrew Parker Bowles, he was serially unfaithful himself from pretty much the start of his marriage).

That's whataboutism at its finest there Serenster. We were talking about tampongate and the Crown.
Humiliating for APB and Diana. Or is it only Charles and Camilla who are 'real people with feelings'?

What Diana and APB got up to is a completely seperate issue.

@ellyeth what are you referring to, please? The Earthshot initiative?

Your post was complete whataboutism too though, Roussette (quite literally, you responded with - what about the feelings of their estranged spouses?).

I don’t know about you, but if someone taped a private call I had where I was joking about sexual activity with a lover, and then released it to the press, I’d feel utterly humiliated and mortified.

The fact that both parties were involved in failed marriages doesn’t really make a big difference I don’t think - nothing they were doing was illegal, they are certainly not the only people in the world to have had an affair, and the press already knew about it anyway. They also have a legal right to have a private life! It’s a very clear example to me of something being of interest to the public, but not being remotely in the public interest for it to be published.

Yes. Because the estranged spouses are directly involved. Oliver Hoare and Will Carling aren't lol.
I'll leave this difference of opinion with you and agree to disagree. Best thing I think. It diminished Charles in my eyes though.

I watched the programme and thought it was excellent. .....there is hope

wow do people really think The Crown is real?
its a tv drama, I haven't watched it, but read enough to know its made up.
back to PW tv show. Its wouldn't be my thing. I prefer programmes that are not so in your face about climate change.
A while back I watched a programme by Gordon Buchanan. it was about polar bears. he managed to get the point about climate change across with out any lectures or prizes.

Samcro I know the programme you are talking about and I agree about things not being “in your face”. I don’t like being lectured to either. I would say that I did not feel like this after the Earthshot programme and the prizes are there more as awards to people to carry on the work they are doing. It really was very good, with or without the input of William. But I’ll stop trying to sell it to you now 🤣

@julieca

Climate change does not need to be highlighted. It is action we need. I didn't watch the documentary. Not interested. I want actions and real change.

But actions is exactly what the programme was highlighting. Groups that have come up with solutions that they are 'actioning' and hoping can be funded and scaled up for the planet to effect real change.

Obviously there is some scene setting, but I found it a documentary of real hope because it shows what amazing things are being done that we wouldn't otherwise hear about.

Some things are going to need a mental shift. 'Cultured Meat' that's been developed in Israel. If you didn't watch it, meat can be made in a lab in 3 weeks rather than the 2 years and all the environmental pressures currently.

@waltzingparrot yes I struggled a bit with the concept of the cultured meat, and also the rather unappetising looking spirulina cakes! I agree that a real mental shift is needed. I also liked that some of the projects recognised the economic pressures on people that lead to exploitation of nature, and rather than just say that this was wrong, offered solutions.

So climate change is really important, and projects that have been put forward are implementing change, they have entered to truly and secure more funding so they can keep doing the valuable work they are doing.

But people wil not agree or take interest because they seem to personally dislike prince William 🙄

I have to say I really liked the food security project in the Congo, preserving the gorillas and eliminating starvation seemed like a win win to me.

It has been recognised for ages that you can't just protect endangered species without ensuring the people living there are okay as well. It is why there is a common move towards encouraging sustainable tourism. Once people's livelihoods depend on seeing unusual animals, then they try to do what they can to protect those animals and their habitat. It is creating a sustainable approach.
But it only goes so far. It works well for larger iconic species. But nobody wants to go and see small brown insects or moths that may be vital for the ecosystem.
I have put a lot of work into this field over the years. I now think it is too late. And I understand why Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain are doing what they are doing. It needs drastic action, and it is probably too late for that. William should have been shouting about this at least ten years ago. Not that I think he actually cares about this anyway.

Alright Julie didn't ask for your PhD did I.

And I learnt this yesterday because...I watched the documentary as did many others "hungry ears don't listen" .

But you know, you personally object to the documentary and the prizes. So you clearly don't care really just want to spout your "insider" knowledge and give up on the plant because PW got involved too late for your own personal liking.😂

But you do you darling....

I am not objecting to the documentary, I just don't personally want to watch it. Attenborough highlighted this issue really well in documentaries when it was a fairly new concept.
I hope it does help these projects and that is great. Its just not going to save the planet.

Actually, julieca it might help to save the planet because these projects are actually happening now. If you watched it you would see. And it was all narrated and presented by …David Attenborough, apart from the introduction by William. Just because something has already been highlighted as you say, doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing again. I was aware of the Earthshot prize, but I probably wouldn’t have watched it if it had not been discussed here, but I thought I should watch it so that I could form an opinion and I’m glad I did. I learnt a lot about what is going on in the world of conservation and about these initiatives that are already working in the real world. They really do deserve to be supported. And that is regardless of who is behind the Earthshot prize.

Yes I agree these projects deserve to be supported. But Extinction Rebellion was formed by many academics and scientists because they recognised it was going to take large strategic changes, it is too late for tinkering around. If William really cared about climate change and understood that, he would know that.
I do think that the individual projects are still good. Individual animals or pieces of land or habitat benefit from these individual projects.
But to really change things William had to be far bolder, and stop using helicopters for personal transport to his home would help.

These are not small projects. One involves the whole of Costa Rica which has successfully reversed its deforestation. The point of the prize is to enable these projects to be expanded across the planet. It is not small scale in ambition. Extinction Rebellion has its uses in highlighting the need for action, but it is not really offering solutions.

Extinction Rebellion has some very clear demands and was established by scientists who know what they are talking about and could come up with viable solutions.

There are some countries really committed to their natural environment. Costa Rica is doing amazingly. But the elephant in the room is we need reduced consumption.

Extinction Rebellion probably did start off meaning well, but now they are just loafer wearing, knitted cardigan hooligans getting a beating for standing on a train.

I can see why many people don't want to be associated with them royalty or peasant. 😂

But these solutions are already in place. They are not demands, they are people actually implementing change. This is not whinging or demanding. This is actual action. It is very refreshing.

The train thing was condemned by many on Extinction Rebellion, that was a stupid action.
But what is happening now with the motorways and Insulate Britain is the right thing to do.