Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

I'm not sure she was ever that popular - there was the racist "Harry's new girlfriend is straight outta Compton" headline in the Mail, plus plenty of negative threads on MN lamenting her lack of English roseness. And after the wedding she was vilified her clothes, her bump stroking, daring to wear nail polish, eating avocados etc etc.

I just love the gossip and shenanakins, twitter getting all outraged etc. Surely they have left the royal family and are just living quietly without any fuss or publicity................... except they aren't!!!!!

Im also amazed that posters get all het up on here, the royals etc all have an agenda and know exactly what they are doing.

@AnnunciataZ I think she was popular and people were pleased that she and Harry seemed happy. Yes there were some unpleasant and uncalled for headlines from some of the press, but I think the public were mostly supportive of her at first. There will always be negative stuff on social media about anyone who is in the public eye as she was, unfortunately. I think it did start to become more generalised after the engagement interview, which (the interview) was indeed a bit weird, but the wedding seemed popular with plenty of people turning out to wish them well 🤷‍♀️

callmeadoctor
It amazes me that if I see a Harry and Meghan thread, it's highly likely that the same people will be there arguing any criticism of 2 public figured doing stuff in the public domain is 'hate'. On several recently posters have insisted that posters who don't particularly like H&M must have some sort of agenda.

The sheer amount of loyalty that some people seem to have for a couple of strangers is weird when it gets to a point that people discussing their thoughts on some celebrity press release is deemed to be proof of a hateful agenda.

She was so popular that Harry had to write a statement telling everyone to stop with the racist reporting on his girlfriend. So popular that MN had thread upon thread criticising her, the engagement and wedding. Sop popular that MPs had to write an open letter regarding her treatment.

Yeah, right.

Itsthepitstoo
Most people aren't journalists and most people's fairly amicable indifference to public figures means they're not going to be on social media or the Daily Mail comments proclaiming their love or being intolerant.

There are many celebrities and public figures that I neither strongly like nor dislike, they do their jobs, I wish them well. If they do press releases or public initiatives I'd have an opinion on their conduct or their initiatives, and would probably discuss that. If it looks good then my contribution would be positive, if I thought it was silly or self-centred or a bit rubbish then I'd also say that. Most people I know are the same, be it Harry and Meghan, or Boris, or Lawrence bloody Fox.

Some spheres have been awful in their reporting and I've no doubt the racists of our nation are being racist, but there's a big mistake made by the Meghan and Harry fan club of confusing 'people saying something negative about public figures doing public actions' with hatred, bullying and racism.

It's the same silly logic that some remainers used when they seemed incapable of understanding tue difference between 'people discussing immigration' and 'people being racist'. They're not the same thing, but some choose to pretend it is because they think it gives them the moral high ground to tell the 'bad guys' off.

She married into huge wealth and privilege with everything taken care of. A beautiful house, (more than one), beautiful clothes, gorgeous holidays. Free schooling at top schools for her children. Private healthcare. Nannies. The opportunity to do tremendous good through charity work with staff to do the leg work for her. Staff to run her house, look after her child

You have just described every wife of a successful producer, business man, oligarch etc. - except without the restrictions of the RF.

MM had access to Hollywood movers and shakers judging by the contacts and the people she used to interview. It was natural that she would be introduced to Harry because that is the level of social circle she was in. If she was so after massive fame and money she would have easily got it ages ago. Her workmates have great connections in the industry and they were close to her for introductions, even her producer is successful and spoke highly of her. I recall her getting personal notes from people high up in the UN and Heads of states. Even in Canada her bff Jessica was friends with the Trudeaus, and comes from a shoe empire, doesn't she?

Harry pretty. much admitted himself that he chased her.

While Thomas did his duty by his daughter, he was not that connected, he was broke after squandering his lotto on a dodgy business deal. Can't credit him for too much.

Harry pretty. much admitted himself that he chased her.
Well he may have done after they were introduced, but then again, didn’t she turn up at his friends wedding after they had split up? And wasn’t she originally looking to be introduced to a footballer? And didn’t she dump her partner? And she was the one who ended her first marriage 🤷‍♀️ Anyway , I don’t think that is really relevant. People meet in all sorts of unusual ways. You are right, many people marry into money, but that does not give them the access to the perceived status of being Royal. As for the notes from people in the UN, that was as a result of a school project I believe, unless there was another time that I have not heard about (happy to be corrected). She really was never that important and that’s not “hate”, it’s just a fact. I admire that she worked hard and made a decent living for herself on her own right, but the only way for her to get where she is quickly was to marry in to wealth. Don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is when you turn round and criticise the source of that wealth when it is the very thing you depend upon for your continued success. No one forced her to join the Royal Family.

This is just neverending nonsense speculations and theorising.

@Why2why. I don’t disagree, but then isn’t that what we as human beings spend most of our time doing anyway? Aren’t we always trying to work out people’s motivations behind their words and actions, whoever they may be? If someone puts themselves in the public eye, then the public will form opinions.

[quote smilesy]@Why2why. I don’t disagree, but then isn’t that what we as human beings spend most of our time doing anyway? Aren’t we always trying to work out people’s motivations behind their words and actions, whoever they may be? If someone puts themselves in the public eye, then the public will form opinions.[/quote]
Lol I definitely do not spend lost of time doing that, there are far more interesting things i do with my time than working out other peoples motivations. The only time I might is when it directly affects me which isn't that often.

Pretty sad way to live otherwise, who knows if we get a second chnace at life so I won't be wasting it thinking about other people who don't mean anything to me or impact me in anyway.

@Dreamstate then why are you on here? 🤷‍♀️🤣

[quote smilesy]@Why2why. I don’t disagree, but then isn’t that what we as human beings spend most of our time doing anyway? Aren’t we always trying to work out people’s motivations behind their words and actions, whoever they may be? If someone puts themselves in the public eye, then the public will form opinions.[/quote]
Absolutely - songs, books, theatre, tv that’s considering potential outcomes and motivations of characters. Not sure how anyone would make a decision on who to vote for, which house to buy etc if hadn’t mastered the art of considering other’s motivations - that isn’t a waste of time at all. Be the biggest fool with a clutch of London Bridge ownership documents.

Thanks for what you said upthread @smilesy.

@Dreamstate
Your posts for this entire thread have been criticising and deciding the motivations of posters, whose POVs differ from yours. Therefore, it is fair to say you’ve been working out what you believe to be the motivations of others. Seeing as you said you might work out the motivations of others if these somehow directly affected you, I can only deduce the discussion on this thread does. So in what way does the discussion on this thread directly affect you?

Spending 1% of my time whilst I'm waiting for a bus or train and perusing mumsnet to fill that time is hardly the same as spending most of my time on them.

So I came across this thread and find it entertains those times im waiting for transport seeing other people frothing over two people they never met

@Dreamstate. I’m not sure why you think any of us spend most of our time on them. As I seem to recall pp saying, we post as and when. I am not at work today so have posted more often than I might. I also post on other areas of Mumsnet from time to time. I’m pretty sure no one on here spends more time on here than you do 🤷‍♀️

I’m pretty sure no one on here spends more time on here than you do 🤷‍♀️

Sorry just realised that is a bit ambiguous. I mean no one spends more than 1% of their time.

No frothing - all the deleted posts have been from those telling others what they think we are allowed to discuss. So that’s where any frothing will have been.

When you get on that bus you’re waiting for will you announce what people are allowed to discuss on the bus too? and tell them they’re wasting their time etc or is just forums where you announce your exasperation and declare what others are permitted to discuss.

[quote smilesy]@Why2why. I don’t disagree, but then isn’t that what we as human beings spend most of our time doing anyway? Aren’t we always trying to work out people’s motivations behind their words and actions, whoever they may be? If someone puts themselves in the public eye, then the public will form opinions.[/quote]
Because you wrote this you fool and then after having a pop at me you suddenly realised you were wrong do you even apologise, no you just backtrack and try and cover up your mistake.

Whatever enjoy having a go at people you don't know, clearly isn't just celebrities only.

No frothing - all the deleted posts have been from those telling others what they think we are allowed to discuss. So that’s where any frothing will have been

Oh purleeeease....

Why were some of these deleted posts were those directed at me with insults, and endless questions as to why I was here and commenting?

I haven't been on this thread for over a week because of that so do not pretend it was what you say

@Dreamstate do you know how to address someone without being obnoxious and rude? I did not have a “pop” at you as you say. I was disagreeing that people are on here all the time “obsessing” over HaM and pointing out that you too are on a thread about them. Do not address me as a “fool”. I have never called you names. Nor would I.

@Roussette. I think it was more recent deleted posts that were being referred to.

@smilesy fine. But let's not say that 'all the deleted posts' then

Because that's a load of BS

@Rousette. I didn’t. It wasn’t me gov 🤣