Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

So do you think Harry and Meghan should use titles linked to the “archaic and dysfunctional monarchy”? By continually doing so, surely they are showing support for all the monarchy including Andrew?

@StartupRepair

They never repudiated the intimate and personal details in FF.

Exactly. But then they are too quick to complain re other publications. At least they must not "disagree" with OS given how on the ball they are with everyone else...

Why2why
Harry was clear it was before marriage therefore it was a hypothetical future child rather than a specific baby. Meghan, it would appear learned of the conversation whilst pregnant. I don’t know why this is not recognised as fact.

I could well believe skin colour was brought up by William, Kate or Charles asking if he and Meghan would cope with the press, especially with the potential nastiness over the skin colour of a baby. Not because any child future children (now known to be Archie and Lilibet) wouldn’t have been loved by the family as much as any child. But because there would be so many hateful remarks about an innocent child in a gutter press.

I can understand why even this conversation would be deeply hurtful to Meghan. And I can understand why she would see this as very racist. They refer to the RF (or the firm as though it is a separate entity) with utter disdain. I can see under these circumstances why they would believe the Royals to be trapped under a system, where they aren’t allowed to marry for love and possibly now see the Firm as racist institution. This would then explain how they see themselves as having broken free and wanting to break the others free.

This would also explain a lot of their thinking tbh because I don’t see evidence that they actually think those they love in the family are racist. And define how they are so totally bewildered at The Queen, William, and Charles are upset with them. From their perspective, possibly they just want to save the people they love. And to stop hurting. But those people don’t want saving. And definitely not by H&M, who have hurt their feelings so deeply.

To all appearances, it seems H&M have a total inability to see things from others POV. The RF has divulged nothing but it is entirely possible that whilst H&M the royals also had a total inability to see things from their POV and did not listen to their concerns whilst working royals. H&M have said as much and far more than is healthy to say.

For me, this is a massive misunderstanding played out on an international stage. HMQ wants to sort it out quietly. But H&M do not, possibly because the Queen is under the clutches of the firm.

I think they will be very disappointed if they do pull the RF down and it is clear they have no concept they’re being perceived by some as setting up a rival court.

Whatever the facts, mediation and therapy required in spades.

@Why2why - what you say would make sense if Harry had waved goodbye to the rf. But do you remember SussexRoyal? Wanting to work “with” the Queen? Wanting to represent the Queen abroad?

You seem to have forgotten that the initial plan was very much to still be in the rf. in fact the current plan still includes using royal titles and hopes for royal Christenings etc.

[quote DottyHarmer]**@Why2why* - what you say would make sense if* Harry had waved goodbye to the rf. But do you remember SussexRoyal? Wanting to work “with” the Queen? Wanting to represent the Queen abroad?

You seem to have forgotten that the initial plan was very much to still be in the rf. in fact the current plan still includes using royal titles and hopes for royal Christenings etc.[/quote]
Remember this:

1. The RF tried to prevent Harry and Meghan from leaving. They tried to work out a compromise. However, the RF’s position was stay or nothing THINKING that Harry and Meghan could not stand on their own. The RF though Harry and Meghan would capitulate and stay,

1. Harry tried to give of his time (not funded by the taxpayers). He did not want to burn bridges. The RF wanted to. Again thinking that Harry and Meghan would capitulate.

1. The RF did not anticipate that fair-minded friends with deeper and well-earned pockets would come to their rescue.

1. Are you certain they want a Royal Christening? Who told you so? They did, did they? Take a moment and ask why they would want a Royal Christening for Lilibet. They did one for Archie because they had to. They never even told you who the godparents were. You really think they want one for Lilibet? Why? What for? She is officially recognised as in the Royal line. What would the christening achieve?

1. Harry and Meghan must absolutely use their Royal titles. Why should the victims be punished for standing up for themselves? What crime did they commit that they are deserving of being pursued to destruction? Are they alleged to have raped underage trafficked girls? No? Oh it’s the heinous crime of saying enough is enough and standing up for yourself and you family. How dare they, how very dare they.

The Royal Family is pulling itself down and the treatment of Harry and Meghan has simply hasten the demise. PA will deliver the death blow.

Why must Harry and Meghan use their royal titles? They see it as system where people are trapped, you see it as outdated and dysfunctional. Why oh why would such people want to continue to be associated with a system and a firm that they despise?

Could it be that it’s there only USP

Btw, it was clear from SussexRoyal and early days of 2020 that they wanted the half in half out model but the Queen clearly said no to that model of operation

Your points are rubbish, fantastical at best..

[quote DottyHarmer]**@Why2why* - what you say would make sense if* Harry had waved goodbye to the rf. But do you remember SussexRoyal? Wanting to work “with” the Queen? Wanting to represent the Queen abroad?

You seem to have forgotten that the initial plan was very much to still be in the rf. in fact the current plan still includes using royal titles and hopes for royal Christenings etc.[/quote]
So have their cake and eat it? Live abroad at tax payers expense and do what they fancy doing on their terms. Whilst crapping all over the family in public. I’m sure they did want that. Of course it wasn’t an option.

I doubt very much that any of this will lead to the demise of the Royal Family. It will undoubtedly change and should be “slimmed down” as per Charles’ ideas but I doubt it will disappear. It would be massively complicated to extricate the Royal Family from British life and there is little appetite from politicians to do this or indeed from the public at large, despite what people might. wish to believe.

@SwimmingUnderwater I think that the “living abroad” thing is the main problem. I’m not sure why anyone would think that this would work on any level.
From my point of view, I also don’t know why HaM want to keep up this mammoth whingefest. It must be exhausting. My mother was one for holding grudges and I found it draining to have to constantly try and remember what it was I was supposed to have done 🤔🤣. I really think it is much healthier to get all your grievances out immediately in front of the person who has annoyed you or whatever, sort it out and move on. I agree with pp who said the Sussexes like to “pick at scabs”. They are unable to move on because they don’t seem to want to.

I don’t honk they want to, no. As I said above I think it’s in Ms interests to keep the ill will going in order to avoid H’s family herself. I think she’s someone who likes to be in control. For him, he’s just lost up his own arse and part of it is self justification for how he’s behaved.

No one would read Finding Freedom Updated if the new material were merely tales from the chicken coop or their latest schemes or even a photo or two of Lillibet.

What will be demanded is more juicy gossip . Harry’s book deal is not for his thoughts on mental health. Everyone’s got their own problems and whatever treatment he has received has clearly been below par. No, any book deal will rely on what he can reveal .

@DottyHarmer

No one would read Finding Freedom Updated if the new material were merely tales from the chicken coop or their latest schemes or even a photo or two of Lillibet.

What will be demanded is more juicy gossip . Harry’s book deal is not for his thoughts on mental health. Everyone’s got their own problems and whatever treatment he has received has clearly been below par. No, any book deal will rely on what he can reveal .

Yes. Even he can see that.

@SwimmingUnderwater

I don’t honk they want to, no. As I said above I think it’s in Ms interests to keep the ill will going in order to avoid H’s family herself. I think she’s someone who likes to be in control. For him, he’s just lost up his own arse and part of it is self justification for how he’s behaved.

You would like to think that or did he confide in you personally?

He seems pretty much in control and happy. Harry is punching well above his weight and must be thanking God that with Meghan he can realise his dream of escape.

Harry is punching well above his weight @Why2why in what way do you mean he is punching above his weight? In his relationship? Not quite sure what you mean 🤷‍♀️😀

In the relationship. Meghan is way above his league.

There is a cynical part of me that thinks the media loves making money from the endless attacks on H&M and pretending it is sanctioned by the RF. Maybe it was initially but now it’s just very damaging for the RF.

@Why2why

In the relationship. Meghan is way above his league.

In what way? Intelligence? Looks? Connections? What do you mean?

I do agree that she is more intelligent and certainly more canny than he is.

Er wake up they aren't funded by the yaxlayer, they haven't been for quite some time yet! Where have you been or do you just prefer to trot out false rubbish just to get your dig in

She is more intelligent not just more than him but all the other Royals. Yes better looking, etc.

However, these are not the measures I am thinking about. She is someone who did not have to rely on aristocracy to become independent wealthy. She has always had a clear purpose in life and her charity work began well before anyone knew who Meghan was. In other words, she is rooted and grounded and never relied on taxpayers money or a team of taxpayer funded staff to help her make a success of herself.

That coupled with the fact that she went to a top notch university and did very well, is extremely articulate, beautiful and a person who does not tolerate nonsense (ie, has self esteem) means Harry’s punching well above his weight.

… and she is an American who does not feel she must bow down to an outdated institution and who knew that she could return to her homeland where she could do far better than allow herself to be treated as a second-class human being.

@Why2why so why did she marry in to the Royal Family then? She must surely have realised that there would be certain expectations that came with being part of an institution like that one. Not sure why anyone would think they can join the firm and dictate the conditions of their employment 🤷‍♀️

@Dreamstate who are you addressing in your post and who or what has been laying yacks? 🤣

[quote smilesy]@Why2why so why did she marry in to the Royal Family then? She must surely have realised that there would be certain expectations that came with being part of an institution like that one. Not sure why anyone would think they can join the firm and dictate the conditions of their employment 🤷‍♀️

@Dreamstate who are you addressing in your post and who or what has been laying yacks? 🤣[/quote]
Sometimes we live and learn. There is no way she could have really known the extent of the dysfunction. However, after tasting the full brunt of it, they decided to leave.

She is not in enslavement to the Royal Family. No reason to stay once she realised that the RF is not necessary to her existence and in fact was a very threat to her existence.

Sometimes we look at jobs and other things and imagine how fantastic it would be to have them or experience them. Sometimes the reality is very different. When that happens what should we do? Put up and shut up?

Maybe be graceful and grateful for the opportunities you have been given . Be an adult and be respectful. Try to nurture relationships with your in laws for the sake of your husband and your children. Support an elderly lady who has just lost her husband and don’t make things much harder for her whilst pinching her pet family name for the child you don’t intend her to ever meet. Just some ideas.

I wonder if the Yax enjoys being ravaged by the Yaxlayer.

Folks we are now on fantasy island.

And omg enslavement. Really? I find that comment really distasteful considering Meghan’s ethnicity.