Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

@JaniieJones you don’t appreciate sarcasm and that’s fine too.

@Marmaladeagain, we could go round in circles about my view and what you view in terms of describing the contributions here about Harry and Meghan. In reference to hurt I’m simply referring to the complaints to Mumsnet about being hurt by me expressing a differing view that os apparently based on a supposed overuse of the word hate.

My head is spinning with all this merry go round.

'you don’t appreciate sarcasm and that’s fine too.'

Ah I don't mind a bit of sarcasm, I'm known for my sarcastic wit myself.

S'ok marmalade I got what you meant

Go ahead and question. Who can stop you? But why would you spend so much time concerned about two people who no longer live in the UK, does not rely on your tax money and who have refused to engage with the British media? Searching high and low desperately lapping up every tiny teeny info whether truth or lie. Dissecting it ad infinitum, raging about it, etc. While the continue to live oceans away? Surely this is what you call a curious obsession.

Do it but take time to assess what is lacking that you need to fill it with this hobby.

@JaniieJones

'you don’t appreciate sarcasm and that’s fine too.'

Ah I don't mind a bit of sarcasm, I'm known for my sarcastic wit myself.

S'ok marmalade I got what you meant

Okay. I believe you.

Good night. I’m done with this thread. I honestly can’t believe I am expending energy on this.

Hope you come back @Why2why

You have valuable contributions here, and frankly if you go, that is exactly what the anti H&M brigade wish, so they can get back to their echo chamber (did you see the numbered threads on here?)

I don't think anyone at all is "hurt" - it's a forum for adults - it's an inappropriate word and sounds daft, is all.

Continuing to say people are full of hate is inappopriate and ends up looking as if designed to create a reaction for people to defend themselves against (create a bunfight). People don't bother defending the accusation of "hate" anymore.

No-one at all is "hurt". I hope that cheers you up rather than disappoints you.

I forgot about the numbered threads @Mummy194. After the first thread I'm not sure there was that much to discuss! I think they got into the double digits before MNHQ stepped in. But then they all went off to another site that seemed to exist purely to discuss H&M. That's now defunct so I suspect they've migrated elsewhere.

@LilyMumsnet

Hi all

We're not in the business of chasing off differing opinions - it's quite unwelcoming, and very unpleasant when on the receiving end. If this continues, we're sorry to say that this thread will be deleted without further warning.

@lilymumsnet - perhaps this is the objective of some of the posters. That you delete the threads. I personally don't see why it should happen with this one in particular but you may have your own reasons to think so eventually, in which case it will be mission accomplished for some. In any case, differing opinions on this topic are very widespread by now and are not going away by the simple swipe of a thread. I am very confident though that Mumsnet will make decisions on threads on each and their own merit and will be applying the same measuring bar to all threads. Thanks for listening!

I personally enjoy discussing H and M on here. I don't particularly like them but I certainly don't "Hate" them. Im pretty sure that other posters on here don't "hate" them either. But Mumsnet is a gossip site, where posters argue their case.
I don't understand why people come on this thread and accuse other posters of being racist because they don't like Meghan. I think that it is these posters who should be told off actually.

@Mummy194

Hope you come back *@Why2why*

You have valuable contributions here, and frankly if you go, that is exactly what the anti H&M brigade wish, so they can get back to their echo chamber (did you see the numbered threads on here?)

What are numbered threads?

Flinging around accusations of “hate” and worse is something hopefully MN can crack down on. Save it for if someone actually posts something offensive. Simply saying you dislike or find someone annoying is not hatred. It is all part of this silly “if you’re not with us….” trope which refuses to countenance any shade of grey.

Just because I dislike elves on shelves/Christmas Eve boxes doesn’t mean I hate Christmas. You can admire/like/love bits of something and strongly or just mildly dislike other bits. Meghan and Harry are a constant in the news (by their own design!) so no wonder people discuss them. They have a quick chat about their latest shenanigans and then go on another thread/do the shopping/some work. Implying that we are all raving racists is at best weird and at worst seriously offensive and the posters continually hurling these insults should be warned or banned.

@DottyHarmer

Flinging around accusations of “hate” and worse is something hopefully MN can crack down on. Save it for if someone actually posts something offensive. Simply saying you dislike or find someone annoying is not hatred. It is all part of this silly “if you’re not with us….” trope which refuses to countenance any shade of grey.

Just because I dislike elves on shelves/Christmas Eve boxes doesn’t mean I hate Christmas. You can admire/like/love bits of something and strongly or just mildly dislike other bits. Meghan and Harry are a constant in the news (by their own design!) so no wonder people discuss them. They have a quick chat about their latest shenanigans and then go on another thread/do the shopping/some work. Implying that we are all raving racists is at best weird and at worst seriously offensive and the posters continually hurling these insults should be warned or banned.

Well said!

@DottyHarmer

Flinging around accusations of “hate” and worse is something hopefully MN can crack down on. Save it for if someone actually posts something offensive. Simply saying you dislike or find someone annoying is not hatred. It is all part of this silly “if you’re not with us….” trope which refuses to countenance any shade of grey.

Just because I dislike elves on shelves/Christmas Eve boxes doesn’t mean I hate Christmas. You can admire/like/love bits of something and strongly or just mildly dislike other bits. Meghan and Harry are a constant in the news (by their own design!) so no wonder people discuss them. They have a quick chat about their latest shenanigans and then go on another thread/do the shopping/some work. Implying that we are all raving racists is at best weird and at worst seriously offensive and the posters continually hurling these insults should be warned or banned.

Spot on!!!

@DottyHarmer

Flinging around accusations of “hate” and worse is something hopefully MN can crack down on. Save it for if someone actually posts something offensive. Simply saying you dislike or find someone annoying is not hatred. It is all part of this silly “if you’re not with us….” trope which refuses to countenance any shade of grey.

Just because I dislike elves on shelves/Christmas Eve boxes doesn’t mean I hate Christmas. You can admire/like/love bits of something and strongly or just mildly dislike other bits. Meghan and Harry are a constant in the news (by their own design!) so no wonder people discuss them. They have a quick chat about their latest shenanigans and then go on another thread/do the shopping/some work. Implying that we are all raving racists is at best weird and at worst seriously offensive and the posters continually hurling these insults should be warned or banned.

@MumsnetHQ Hope you read this xx

@DottyHarmer

Flinging around accusations of “hate” and worse is something hopefully MN can crack down on. Save it for if someone actually posts something offensive. Simply saying you dislike or find someone annoying is not hatred. It is all part of this silly “if you’re not with us….” trope which refuses to countenance any shade of grey.

Just because I dislike elves on shelves/Christmas Eve boxes doesn’t mean I hate Christmas. You can admire/like/love bits of something and strongly or just mildly dislike other bits. Meghan and Harry are a constant in the news (by their own design!) so no wonder people discuss them. They have a quick chat about their latest shenanigans and then go on another thread/do the shopping/some work. Implying that we are all raving racists is at best weird and at worst seriously offensive and the posters continually hurling these insults should be warned or banned.

Well said.

@DottyHarmer exactly!

@Mummy194

Harry's flown commercial both times he returned to the UK. Props to him for that, but it illustrates that he could do it the rest of the time if he wanted.

So can the other royals as they demonstrated with the cheap no frills flight stunt.

People are showing their bias by being so understanding of other royals as needing security when H&M had threats on their heads, so much so that the perpetrators of some are still in jail. Yet, everyone is still crying hypocrite.

Yes, some of them probably could some of the time. And maybe they should do so more often. But travel arrangement for working dignitaries performing official duties are necessarily more complicated than travel arrangements for some random rich guy who can't seem to think beyond the least unpleasant way to get from A to B. If Harry believed that flying commercial was a threat to his safety, he wouldn't have done it the last two times. He could also have driven from Montecito to Aspen in one day.

The other royals need security because of their jobs. If Harry "needs" security, it's because he's chosen to publicly court controversy as a means of making a living. Every celebrity who does similar things gets frequent death threats and occasional actual attempts. If that makes some of them feel the need to travel via private jet rather than flying or driving or just staying home in the middle of a pandemic, most of them are at least self-aware enough to not simultaneously pontificate about the need to protect the environment, and the sacrifices everyone else should make to that end.

If any of the other royals talked about limiting their family size for the sake of the environment, I'd laugh just as hard. Any of us could have a dozen kids and still create less of a carbon footprint than any one of theirs.

@PurpleOkapi
I’ve read on here H&M (or perhaps just Meghan) attracted hate and death threats from racists whilst still working royals. I would be nervous to fly without security in these circumstances. The media didn’t release information of when he was travelling just that he’d arrived or he’d left the country pre and post funeral.

I also don’t get the hate comments. I don’t hate people I don’t know. Neither am I obsessed by them. The RF aren’t all right or all wrong. I cannot abide the hypocrisy of H&M. Do I think the Queen, PP, PC, Camilla etc etc are beyond reproach? Certainly not. Did I dislike Camilla intensely for the trouble she caused? Yes and in my eyes she has redeemed herself. Very few murderers are given life sentences and fail to see why she should be given one by the public. Do I like PA or think he’s a good man? No. Do I think HMQ is acting correctly vis a vis the rape allegations? In this regard, Idk what she should or could do. He’s not a fugitive. Then I look at what Hilary Clinton and Melania are doing about their husbands - um nothing - and ask myself what she could do differently? We don’t know what she has or hasn’t said to him, some posters seem to think otherwise. Do I think H&M can turn things around? Yes, but they have no desire to do so and will continue to trade off their connections and destroy the family. Ergo I and others do not like their actions and speak as we find.

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@PurpleOkapi
I’ve read on here H&M (or perhaps just Meghan) attracted hate and death threats from racists whilst still working royals. I would be nervous to fly without security in these circumstances. The media didn’t release information of when he was travelling just that he’d arrived or he’d left the country pre and post funeral.

I also don’t get the hate comments. I don’t hate people I don’t know. Neither am I obsessed by them. The RF aren’t all right or all wrong. I cannot abide the hypocrisy of H&M. Do I think the Queen, PP, PC, Camilla etc etc are beyond reproach? Certainly not. Did I dislike Camilla intensely for the trouble she caused? Yes and in my eyes she has redeemed herself. Very few murderers are given life sentences and fail to see why she should be given one by the public. Do I like PA or think he’s a good man? No. Do I think HMQ is acting correctly vis a vis the rape allegations? In this regard, Idk what she should or could do. He’s not a fugitive. Then I look at what Hilary Clinton and Melania are doing about their husbands - um nothing - and ask myself what she could do differently? We don’t know what she has or hasn’t said to him, some posters seem to think otherwise. Do I think H&M can turn things around? Yes, but they have no desire to do so and will continue to trade off their connections and destroy the family. Ergo I and others do not like their actions and speak as we find.[/quote]
Just like PA trading off his connections and destroying the family name right....

He also doesn't seem to want to turn things around either

But you only seem to want to say H&M are theonlynones doing all that.

You don't know Jack shite what they do or don't want. You read what's in the media based on so called sources fhat are really questionable by take it as gospel truth and use it to have another pop at them.

Lets throw you in the media spotlight and see how you'd like it when so called sources make stuff up

@Dreamstate
I am not the one saying H&M are theonlyones doing all that. H&M continue to pick fights whereas Andrew is hiding. If I want to discuss Andrew, I will and have on threads about him. I can only surmise you have mistaken my views for those of someone else.

I wrote in a previous post that I have chronic fatigue and a lot of brain fog at the moment. I am far too ill to participate in normal life let alone be in the spotlight. So to use your words, You know Jack shite about my life. I trained for a career, which was designed to throw me in the spotlight. Sadly I am disabled and spend the majority of my life either sitting or prostrate in bed. So if I were privileged enough to have the chance of life I trained for, I’d definitely not squander it by drawing the wrong kind of attention by publicly attacking others and especially the Royal Family or indeed my family. I hope that addresses your last comment.

@Dreamstate well yes thats what mumsnet is about. It is a gossip forum.....................................

[quote callmeadoctor]@Dreamstate well yes thats what mumsnet is about. It is a gossip forum.....................................[/quote]
Really I doubt thats what its for its supposed to be about supporting mums, I certainly never saw it as a gossip forum

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@Dreamstate
I am not the one saying H&M are theonlyones doing all that. H&M continue to pick fights whereas Andrew is hiding. If I want to discuss Andrew, I will and have on threads about him. I can only surmise you have mistaken my views for those of someone else.

I wrote in a previous post that I have chronic fatigue and a lot of brain fog at the moment. I am far too ill to participate in normal life let alone be in the spotlight. So to use your words, You know Jack shite about my life. I trained for a career, which was designed to throw me in the spotlight. Sadly I am disabled and spend the majority of my life either sitting or prostrate in bed. So if I were privileged enough to have the chance of life I trained for, I’d definitely not squander it by drawing the wrong kind of attention by publicly attacking others and especially the Royal Family or indeed my family. I hope that addresses your last comment.[/quote]
Your post explains a lot.

On another note; who are Harry and Meghan picking fights with? You? The Queen, Prince William, Kate Middleton? If not with you, you know they are picking fights with these other people because they have told you so personally or you’ve picked this up from the media? The bias media. Or are they pick fights simply because the speak out against the abuse they face?

Anyway, your explanation of your situation explains a lot and I genuinely hope you find some happiness in your life. It sounds like you have had a really tough time.

Dreamstate, I agree with you about mum support or family support but it certainly turns into a gossip forum where the royals, and some others, are concerned. It's like an extension of the tabloids.