Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

You are massively projecting. You don’t know me at all. But whatever.

’we are left speechless’

If only....

@Mummyoflittledragon

Telling me to go and start another thread is childish and immature, this thread is only for bullying H&M while you seemingly ignore the hypocrisy of the rest of the royals. Which only goes to show your bias.

It’s pathetic.

Childish and immature? Not at all.

I was serious about starting a thread that I would go on. I’m interested to know the facts. Not to dispute the facts. To know them. I’m sure there are a great number of people willing to research this information. You included perhaps?

Right now, I have seen zero evidence to back up assertions. Why wouldn’t I and probably a great many would also mumsnetters be interested? As for biased. No. I’m keen to know the percentage profit royal polo charity events make. Said as much on this thread. Will I research it or anything else? No. I have chronic fatigue and a lot of brain fog atm. I literally don’t have the capacity. Which is why I suggested the thread. But hey ho.

Keep asking, wondering and assuming. Maybe Harry and Meghan might reach out to you and explain OR you might find some made up nonsense in the British media or ask one of the Royal Experts. There are no facts about Harry and Meghan that they don’t have.

According to an inside source the royal experts are the most trustworthy, unbiased bunch ever and Harry and Meghan agrees. The British media reports the honest truth about these two people and never has it been proven otherwise .

We’ll continue getting drunk on your hatred of these two people. I’m off to more positive vibes. Can’t be ending my day soaking up the hatred on here.

@Mummyoflittledragon

You are massively projecting. You don’t know me at all. But whatever.

You really think your obsession is normal? You really think any objective person can’t see the purpose of your thread. What is very clear from you is that you cannot be a happy person. If you were, there is no way you would find time and energy to obsessively hate people who you don’t know and who do know you. Happy and content people don’t behave like you do.

I really really wish people would stop equating criticism with hate . It’s becoming the most overused word on this type of thread .

I find it interesting that besides the regular posters in these threads who are largely supportive of HaM, there are a few who suddenly appear from nowhere and seem to think they need to swoop in like avenging angels and admonish posters who have negative things to say, without really contributing to the discussion. I feel it is those posters who seem to be more “invested” and quite aggressive.

I learned the hard way that when a thread isn't going the way some would like then the abuse starts. I took onthread advice from other posters saying to just ignore some posters as it's always the same pattern.

Bearing that in mind, it's always best to try and ignore the projected assumptions rather than defend against some of the daft accusations. The same old/same old is intended to get posts deleted and end up with thread removed.

Wouldn't worry about what you're accused of as there is never anything to back up the view other than throwing the word "hate" around all the time.

Yup.

Mummy: H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.
..............

Who says she is a personal friend of Harry? Don't tell me, 'sources close to'.

I do not see why they would 'call out' Biden on anything, especially as 73% (according to a poll, can't remember which), of Americans wanted out of Afghanistan anyway and who could blame them. It will be twenty years next month and no closer to being won, why waste more lives? In any case, I see H&M as being more concerned with social issues than anything else.

The quote you posted from them was just right so thank you for that.

Hi all

We're not in the business of chasing off differing opinions - it's quite unwelcoming, and very unpleasant when on the receiving end. If this continues, we're sorry to say that this thread will be deleted without further warning.

@LilyMumsnet, can you be clear about who is on the receiving end of being chased away? It would be good to understand this. Is the benefit given to those who complain first?

While we’re here, I read on the Black Mumsnet that the same vigour isn’t used to address concerns raised about racist undertones.

Personally, I do not mind being banned or chased off because I’m beginning to think that Mumsnet isn’t a positive experience.

'I learned the hard way that when a thread isn't going the way some would like then the abuse starts'

There does seem to be a pattern. Pages of civilised reasonable debate then some one will start reporting everything as racist, 'bullying'

I think people object to the overuse of “hate”.

I can mildly dislike someone, I can be irritated by someone, or even think that they’re a bit of a CF - but I don’t hate them.

DottyHarmer

I think people object to the overuse of “hate”.

I can mildly dislike someone, I can be irritated by someone, or even think that they’re a bit of a CF - but I don’t hate them.

I totally agree ( and have said) that some people cannot accept any criticism of H and M’s behaviour before shouting hate.

Overuse of hate? In my view it is hate. I stand by my view, my differing view that it is hate in my eyes.

I am happy to be banned from Mumsnet for expressing a differing opinion about the description of the views levelled at Harry and Meghan.

I am hurt by what I see as hate towards people. But I get it that your hurt at your views being described as hate is more important.

As I said, no problem with me being chased away or banned.

@Why2why

Overuse of hate? In my view it is hate. I stand by my view, my differing view that it is hate in my eyes.

I am happy to be banned from Mumsnet for expressing a differing opinion about the description of the views levelled at Harry and Meghan.

I am hurt by what I see as hate towards people. But I get it that your hurt at your views being described as hate is more important.

As I said, no problem with me being chased away or banned.

In your view it is hate. That doesn’t however mean it IS hate. It’s just your view. You don’t know the posters personally, whether they are balanced, intelligent people or not. whether they are racist. You assure anyone with a different opinion to yours must be a hate filled bigot. I find most of the posters with views that aren’t entirely positive very well argued and thoughtful. Most are able to take a balanced view and see things from both sides.

Sorry, but 'criticism' is reading something about someone - say Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift and thinking, oh he's a bit of a tool.

Posting around 50 times in a couple of days on their topic is something else. And constantly showing up on their related threads is even worse. Creating new accounts to do it is proper nutter !

Seeing two people who raise awareness on issues and charity work and trying to constantly convince everyone that that they are villains is on another level.

@Why2why

Overuse of hate? In my view it is hate. I stand by my view, my differing view that it is hate in my eyes.

I am happy to be banned from Mumsnet for expressing a differing opinion about the description of the views levelled at Harry and Meghan.

I am hurt by what I see as hate towards people. But I get it that your hurt at your views being described as hate is more important.

As I said, no problem with me being chased away or banned.

I agree mostly with what you say. The RF that the UK taxpayers are paying for should be occupying the minds & hearts of those who like to hold public figures to account.

Harry and Meghan post stuff on their website and it seems like the UK tabloids & some on Mumsnet stalk this website looking to hold them to account or whatever. I think it’s great that they don’t have Instagram and Twitter, some of the comments I read on their Instagram before were racist, sexist and downright scary.

I was not impressed on their statement on Afghanistan but it wasn’t the worst statement or deed out there. I liked that they included 🇭🇹 . The Afghan charity & World Central kitchen have acknowledged working with HaM and are grateful, but I’m sure will be along to dissect this and tell us how useless they are . I name change to post on this section as have been followed around by the Royalist Klan before on MN but it always fascinates me as to why these two hold such a special place on UK tabloids & some parts of MN & Twitter. Somebody on LA said the RF family is intact & the balcony is as it should be she(Meghan) didn’t collapse the Monarchy at all , she is back home so why the Beef?.

Why2Why : I am hurt by what I see as hate towards people. But I get it that your hurt at your views being described as hate is more important.

No our feelings are not "hurt" at all. We don't "hate" and we're not "hurt". Not sure why you'd imagine we're "hurt". It's very emotive language for two celebrities wanting to earn a lot of money for themselves. Those that will buy into their product will buy into it whether or not I can see through the product placement (in their case product placement is H&M themselves).

'Posting around 50 times in a couple of days on their topic is something else'

It's a chat forum, people chat, back and forth it is how it works! They debate. You make out folk are just posting 'I hate Harry' 50 times a day. Yes it can get robust at times but there isn't any hate or the oft mentioned 'bullying'.

To recap, H had made a perfectly satisfactory statement about Afghanistan then they issued their layers of pain authentic flowery speech, but it was just tone deaf. Now you can call that hate if you wish however most can see it is a perfectly reasonable comment.

We could go round in circles here. That is why there are labels called “views” and “opinions” and we all know that just because we express a view does not mean it is so. You should apply this to your views and opinions.

I’m not looking for anyone to be impressed with my views or opinions. Is that something people generally aim for?

Creating new accounts to do it is proper nutter!

Who has done that?

'I’m not looking for anyone to be impressed with my views or opinions. Is that something people generally aim for?'

Erm, no. Are you new to chat forums? I'm not sure why you seem so confused tbh.

Things happen in the public eye, we discuss, we disagree or agree and mn delete any unpleasant stuff. Most of us can happily agree to disagree and do indeed go round in circles. So what? I mean I'm always right as we all know .

@JaniieJones

'I’m not looking for anyone to be impressed with my views or opinions. Is that something people generally aim for?'

Erm, no. Are you new to chat forums? I'm not sure why you seem so confused tbh.

Things happen in the public eye, we discuss, we disagree or agree and mn delete any unpleasant stuff. Most of us can happily agree to disagree and do indeed go round in circles. So what? I mean I'm always right as we all know .

Circle will be gone round in. H&M make regular announcements and entering a time of increased "visibility" so I expect more circles will be gone round in.

I really don't think the UK population should be told they are not allowed to question someone's choice of how to make themselves increasingly wealthy.

You're beginning to sound like someone whose doesn't like "little people" questioning their "betters" (wealthy people).

Not you Janiie BTW - not saying you're sounding I quoted you as I liked your post!