Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

What I find hilarious and slightly delirious is that those that blindly defend one side or the other spend most of their time deriding the other.
Particularly true of the H&M fan club.
They spend much of the time shooting their arrows at the RF blatantly ignoring that H&M are building their brand on being part of it.
The more bizarre the behaviour of H&M the more you slate the RF.
it's as if that's the only defence often using the argument that whatever they do is never as bad as the other side.
Both sides have their faults and weaknesses just as both have their strengths. But H&M cannot exist without RF whereas reverse it, I'm sure the other side will do just fine.
I'm not particularly invested on these threads but it does seem that these kind of arguments exist largely on MN.
More than once I've heard M&H camp decry that most of the U.K. is anti monarchy when that's just not true. No matter how many times they say it.
Just waiting for the response of 'sources??' !

Hilarious Clinton has been chartering planes for evacuations? Mind boggling. I think not.

I think H&M are damned if they do and damned if they don't. In other words, they can't win!

As far as the Clintons and the Obamas are concerned, H&M have probably met them and like them, what's not to like, but I doubt they are great personal friends.

The media love making mountains out of molehills. I wish they wouldn't but they ain't gonna be listening to me.

Why did they feel the need to make a statement? who actually cares what the think anyway?! Who are they anymore!

@drivinmecrazy

What I find hilarious and slightly delirious is that those that blindly defend one side or the other spend most of their time deriding the other. Particularly true of the H&M fan club. They spend much of the time shooting their arrows at the RF blatantly ignoring that H&M are building their brand on being part of it. The more bizarre the behaviour of H&M the more you slate the RF. it's as if that's the only defence often using the argument that whatever they do is never as bad as the other side. Both sides have their faults and weaknesses just as both have their strengths. But H&M cannot exist without RF whereas reverse it, I'm sure the other side will do just fine. I'm not particularly invested on these threads but it does seem that these kind of arguments exist largely on MN. More than once I've heard M&H camp decry that most of the U.K. is anti monarchy when that's just not true. No matter how many times they say it. Just waiting for the response of 'sources??' !

You must be invested to talk about H&M’s bizarre behaviour.

I personally have no behaviour of anyone to defend because I don’t know these people.

It’s those who go crazy hating them that are clearly in need to help. I can understand those who defend them because they are probably operating on the defend the underdog or whatever.

It’s the hatred that I find to be bizarre.

I haven’t read all of this thread but I don’t think there are many defending H&M’s behaviour whatever behaviour that is. I think many are just wondering how people are still trapped in this nonsense cycle of hatred.

It also vexes me because it reminds me hoe easy people were influenced to hate their neighbours in Germany and Rwanda. I just don’t get it how over and over again Humana are easily led to hate even to the point of wishing harm to others.

So sounds rather like you believe celebtrity PR should not be questioned and swallowed by the masses ie. those people that think H&M are altruistic people wanting to spread love and happiness

H&M want to get richer and richer and richer and that will be at the expense of those people that buy into their celebrity lifestyle and charities. So yes feel superior by all means if it makes you happy and that everyone else are the "easily led" brigade.

I don't believe people in the UK are easily led (that's a rather left wing view of working class people I've oftent noticed) and it is why we have a press in the UK that takes the mickey out of those self-important navel gazing types.

People on the left will attempt to shut down debate and call people "racist", "bigots" etc unless you believe exactly what they espouse. H&M are leveraging that whole shut down debate to their perceived advantage (ie. failing miserably and being laughed at).

H&M represent a curtailing of rights to question and shut down debate: "it's my way or the highway". I find that abhorrent.

If you think celebrities making money from the masses and attempting to control the narrative of what people say/think is ok, then I'm afraid you've fallen for what you accuse others of being "easily led" by.

If you want a public life it comes with public scrutiny. H&M have been found to be very amusing and vain is what the scruity has uncovered (and not very good at reading the room).

Claiming to be victims is standard and expected behaviour of the vain type (or jealousy) - ie. nonsense. They're funny.

I’m really intrigued to see a list of H&M’s “bizarre “ behaviour. What are those?

The funny thing is that the only people who seem to have a life mission related to H&M are the people who constantly defend everything they do and try to derail any discussion about them.

Most people aren't emotionally invested in them.

It's a bit embarrassing that they made a tone deaf statement on Afghanistan because they're still viewed as British so it reflects back on the UK.

But as for the 'foundations', self-styled 'philanthropists', well, H&M aren't being more criticised than anyone else who has followed that path.

It's just that somehow their supporters don't seem to have ever noticed the discussions about charities or foundations or philanthropists or the Clintons or Epstein. It's almost as though they had no interest in world affairs prior to H&M and that they still have no interest in wider world affairs now. Which does make me wonder why two privileged individuals (who'd get them moved out of their sightline in RL) have engendered such a subservient and protectionist attitude from ordinary people. It's flummoxing.

Very well said Eliza.

And comparing a discussion about how charities work with the situation in Germany or Rwanda is disgusting.
You should ask for your post to be deleted @Why2why .
There are people on here who lived and worked in Rwanda, who lost loved ones in Germany, etc. Your lack of respect and lack of proportion is horrendous. Using genocide to try to curb free speech about your 'celeb faves' is a depth that I didn't think anyone would sink to.

And they really need to quit taking private jets. Some people just don't learn. Yes, the working royals do it, too, and maybe they shouldn't. But they at least have the excuse of legitimate security concerns and possible operational disruptions to the airlines if they and their entire entourage flew commercial for tours and other royal work.

Just for context/sake of fairness there’s been a long history of various very senior members of the Royal family flying commercially, it is certainly not something the royals have only just decided to do for the sake of virtue signaling about the environment and/or due social media coverage.

It’s not just been travel for holiday or leisure reason either, some have used commercial flights in connection with official “Royal/HMG” type business and have done traveling with a small entourage

why2why where is the hatred you claim? It's people giving a different opinion.
I just see in these threads that those most frothing are those blindly defending M&H.

I can't think of anyone in my RL that I would defend to the hilt in their entirety. No one is perfect but many posters seem to not see any fault in their behaviour.
I would suggest that it is those posters who are over invested.
I rarely comment on these threads but follow them hoping to find a balanced discussion. Never happens.
I see far more people on the other side of the argument saying some positive things about H&M than I do yours pointing out any negatives.
Again nothing directed at you.

@drivinmecrazy

why2why where is the hatred you claim? It's people giving a different opinion. I just see in these threads that those most frothing are those blindly defending M&H. I can't think of anyone in my RL that I would defend to the hilt in their entirety. No one is perfect but many posters seem to not see any fault in their behaviour. I would suggest that it is those posters who are over invested. I rarely comment on these threads but follow them hoping to find a balanced discussion. Never happens. I see far more people on the other side of the argument saying some positive things about H&M than I do yours pointing out any negatives. Again nothing directed at you.

Not hatred? Have you been reading the silly biased hypocritical nonsense?

It’s impossible to avoid seeing some nonsense article on H&M. The problem is that nearly all the British media is commonly owned and they all publish story after story about H&M and always some petty nonsense. Hardly any thing on PA by the way.

If they could create a separate website for H&M abuse that would be okay but I am sick and tired of finding these stupid articles in the online versions of these newspapers.

On Mumsnet, when you cluck on Active, more abusive rubbish about this couple.

They have left the UK. Get over it.

As for scrutinising PR from celebrities. Unless I like a celebrity I really do not spend time finding out what they are doing or trying to figure out what they are doing. AND if I did not like them, I sure as hell would not be listening to their PR far less to scrutinise or get heated up about them.

This H&M thing is everywhere. All the media outlet seem to base their business model at the moment on H&M stories because it’s paying their bills. The article headlines about these two people are always based on wishes to see them fail.

Any way, they seem to have their support in place because they’re not on the street begging. The are paying their way so they can do whatever they want as long as it’s legal.

@ElizaDarcysDeeds I might be from Rwanda with a Hutu father and Tutsi mother, both murdered. So don’t come here telling me about disrespect.

Yes it seems very easy for those who control narratives to generate hate. I’ve seen it and lived it.

@Mummy194

I’ll be more than happy to chat on that one…. Or is it just easier to come on the thread to tell us we are picking on people?

No you would not, you could start a gaudy thread like this one you started here. Even Andrew's thread was started months ago, and is struggling to move.

And do town down the OTT, they did not split their family apart.

Laughing at "gaudy thread"

How are people so passionately defensive about a pair of privileged, privately educated, millionaire, out of touch, self-absorbed twits?

😂😂

How are people so passionate about hating others they don’t know?

Why2Why, I thought the same.

I don't known them personally but they seem nice enough. I'm not resentful of their millions, quite happy with my lot thank you.

'know' not 'known'.

Think you will find it is questioning and highlighting a barrage of PR that
Harry and Meghan are anything other than self promoting themselves for their own profit to make themselves wealthier. Sorry we don’t fall for it and were not cowed by being told it made us racist to question their narrative of events.

Freedom of speech and not ‘permitted’ speech is the issue. They inhabit the murky world of celebrity self-promotion and have made themselves ridiculous to most people by pretending it is anything else.

Who talked about hate @why2why ? too strong a word. People here post about their different opinions, agreeing or less so (which is absolutely fine, and even if you disagree strongly about some of the things they say and do this does not mean you are "abusive") not more or less than H&M posting in their own exclusive site.

Of course it would be nice for them to get a clean string of lovely ultra supportive mumsnet posts but real life is not perfect, even in the web world, especially when you go out there for millions to hear you and see you expecting something in return.

Interesting post upthread about why people who deride the royal family and the blind devotion of its deluded followers, can, on the other hand, support, defend and laud -nay, worship - a couple who show that they are more than keen to retain their royal connection and are clearly mighty fond of the finer things in life.

Telling me to go and start another thread is childish and immature, this thread is only for bullying H&M while you seemingly ignore the hypocrisy of the rest of the royals. Which only goes to show your bias.

It’s pathetic.

Childish and immature? Not at all.

I was serious about starting a thread that I would go on. I’m interested to know the facts. Not to dispute the facts. To know them. I’m sure there are a great number of people willing to research this information. You included perhaps?

Right now, I have seen zero evidence to back up assertions. Why wouldn’t I and probably a great many would also mumsnetters be interested? As for biased. No. I’m keen to know the percentage profit royal polo charity events make. Said as much on this thread. Will I research it or anything else? No. I have chronic fatigue and a lot of brain fog atm. I literally don’t have the capacity. Which is why I suggested the thread. But hey ho.

99% of what I see when I read online newspapers are generated by the newspapers and royal experts. As H&M do not share info with them, it’s all made up supposition. So this constant PR that you claim they are doing, I don’t have access to.

There is no need to be cowed by people pointing out the racist undertones. Perfectly legitimate to own it. Likewise no one should be cowed by people turning blue in the face claiming they are not motivated by racist undertones.

At the end of the day, Harry and Meghan are enjoying their lives. I’ll be doing the same rather that being suck into this mad world.

And yes, it is hate. I know all too well how people love disguising their hate saying they’re on some mission to correct some wrong. Superheroes whose only honest and pure aim is to expose the only two people who are causing untold damage that if a crusade is not mounted the world will collapse.

I was curious to see that whilst Sarah Vine was predicting relationships disaster for Harry and Meghan, hers had been disintegrating. Life is too short. Focus on building your own happiness. Stop hating those who are living their lives. Be happy and spread happiness. You will eel them better for it.

@Mummyoflittledragon

Telling me to go and start another thread is childish and immature, this thread is only for bullying H&M while you seemingly ignore the hypocrisy of the rest of the royals. Which only goes to show your bias.

It’s pathetic.

Childish and immature? Not at all.

I was serious about starting a thread that I would go on. I’m interested to know the facts. Not to dispute the facts. To know them. I’m sure there are a great number of people willing to research this information. You included perhaps?

Right now, I have seen zero evidence to back up assertions. Why wouldn’t I and probably a great many would also mumsnetters be interested? As for biased. No. I’m keen to know the percentage profit royal polo charity events make. Said as much on this thread. Will I research it or anything else? No. I have chronic fatigue and a lot of brain fog atm. I literally don’t have the capacity. Which is why I suggested the thread. But hey ho.

What a load of twaddle.

You said that this thread is only about H&M do go start one about Charles and his use of private jets.

Point is your deliberately only showing your hatred of what these two do even when other people do the same.

So end of the day your choosing to pick apart everything this couple do and inky this couple thats whats sad and pathetic

I dont give two hoots what they do,vtheir PR etc. They aren't killing anyway or harming anyone unlike other more prominent figures like Biden who a large majority of mumsnetters were backing.

Anyway enjoy your belittling of people who you don't know, spend you time and energy researching them for every little thing.

I only came on here because its getting really pathetic how people keep going on about them.