Harry and Meghan statement on Afghanistan

[Mummyoflittledragon]

“The world is exceptionally fragile right now.
As we all feel the many layers of pain due to the situation in Afghanistan, we are left speechless.
As we all watch the growing humanitarian disaster in Haiti, snd the threat of it worsening after last weekend’s earthquake, we are left heartbroken.
And as we all witness the continuing global health crisis, exacerbated by the new variants and constant misinformation, we are left scared.
When any person or community suffers, a piece of each of us does so with them, whether we realise it or not. And though we are not meant to live in a state of suffering, we are as a people, being conditioned to accept it. It’s easy to find ourselves feeling powerless, but we can put our values into action - together.
To start, we encourage you to join us in supporting a number of organisations doing critical work. We also urge those in positions of global influence to rapidly advance the humanitarian dialogues that are expected to take place this fall at multilateral gatherings such as the U.N. General Assembly and the Leader’s Summit.
As an international community, it is the decisions we make now - to alleviate suffering among those we know and those we may never meet - that will prove our humanity.”

• THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUFFOLK

H&M are being criticised for making this about them and for not calling out Biden, notably the FLOTUS is report as being a personal friend of H.

What do mumsnetters think?

Maternity leave in the US is much shorter than in the U.K.

@callmeadoctor

laughing at "cheery pick"

Me too.

Also Prince Charles “swans about in his private jet”. Swans around means to go from place to place with no purpose or aim. 🤦‍♀️

Prince Charles may use a private aeroplane, but he is the first in line to the throne, so it’s most likely for security reasons. Easier to fly him places that way than to fly him on a commercial flight and have to minutely security check all passengers and crew on the flight.

This is abuse of an elderly woman and her family.

Oh please!! An elderly woman and family who are quite happy to protect one of them when they've been accused of a sex crime and to manipulate the law when it suits them. Dial down the drama 🙄 Harry and Meghan's behaviour is ridiculous at times but so is going overboard to defend the royal family.

Didn’t Buckingham Palace deny this nonsense about the Queen consulting lawyers?

The other nonsense is the story about them losing 700 Instagram followers. When you read the details of the article it’s all about them not having a social media account and some account that was shut down when they left the UK.

Makes you wonder why this ridiculous agenda that the whole world can see through.

Meanwhile the UK is seen as a protector of a paedophile.

I love history. It always exposes these injustices eventually.

There is a thread about the Queen and The Sun reports of consultations with lawyers

I'm amusing myself by imagining what they statement would have been if Trump had said and done all of the same things, with the same results in Afghanistan. I suspect they'd have gone quite a bit further than "Oh, it's so sad!"

And they really need to quit taking private jets. Some people just don't learn. Yes, the working royals do it, too, and maybe they shouldn't. But they at least have the excuse of legitimate security concerns and possible operational disruptions to the airlines if they and their entire entourage flew commercial for tours and other royal work. Harry's flown commercial both times he returned to the UK. Props to him for that, but it illustrates that he could do it the rest of the time if he wanted.

Any news on who's getting the rest of the proceeds from his book(s)? I'm generously assuming he meant that all proceeds would go to charity, not just some of them.

Gosh, these two people really do live rent free in your heads. What do you get from the obsession with two people who don’t even know that you exist and don’t focus on those who hate them. They know there is a large crowd that hate their guts. They have factored this in, block that negativity and are getting on with their lives. They are not trying to convince their haters to love them. So seriously why waste your life in this way.

Discussing them is okay but the obsession is on a level that suggest some people need help to move on with their lives.

You’re assuming this, thinking that, hoping and wishing. To what end? Find better use of your time. It’s pathetic.

Harry's flown commercial both times he returned to the UK. Props to him for that, but it illustrates that he could do it the rest of the time if he wanted.

So can the other royals as they demonstrated with the cheap no frills flight stunt.

People are showing their bias by being so understanding of other royals as needing security when H&M had threats on their heads, so much so that the perpetrators of some are still in jail. Yet, everyone is still crying hypocrite.

I’ll be more than happy to chat on that one…. Or is it just easier to come on the thread to tell us we are picking on people?

No you would not, you could start a gaudy thread like this one you started here. Even Andrew's thread was started months ago, and is struggling to move.

And do town down the OTT, they did not split their family apart.

@Mummy194

Harry's flown commercial both times he returned to the UK. Props to him for that, but it illustrates that he could do it the rest of the time if he wanted.

So can the other royals as they demonstrated with the cheap no frills flight stunt.

People are showing their bias by being so understanding of other royals as needing security when H&M had threats on their heads, so much so that the perpetrators of some are still in jail. Yet, everyone is still crying hypocrite.

They aren't in the UK anymore though and have stood down from their royal duties so 100% can't expect UK tax payers to pay for their security.

*tone

They aren't in the UK anymore though and have stood down from their royal duties so 100% can't expect UK tax payers to pay for their security.

The 'hypocrites' outrage started while they were fully working senior royals. Before the SA tour.

@Mummyoflittledragon

We will cheery pick away if that is such a thing. Meanwhile, why not start a thread on the Queen and Charles as he “swans about in his private jet”? I’ll be more than happy to chat on that one…. Or is it just easier to come on the thread to tell us we are picking on people?

We are discussing Harry and Meghan on an anonymous forum overwhelmingly comprised of ordinary people just living their lives. Anything anyone on this thread says will have zero affect on them, unlike their behaviour as they parade around the international stage throwing accusations, splitting their family apart. I’d be equally disgusted by their behaviour if they were any other super privileged couple or indeed any ordinary couple.

The behaviour is pathetic. It’s vile and inexcusable. A woman in her mid 90’s,who recently lost her husband of 70 years is having to consult lawyers to reply to the next onslaught. This is abuse of an elderly woman and her family. It was abuse of a man on his death bed. Just because she is the Queen, it doesn’t mean she isn’t also vulnerable.

Well as others have said H &M have done commercial flights without security being compromised.

Actually so have William and Kate, they too made a big deal made of them flying commercial so its not exactly impossible nor required for security reasons.

And yes he is swanning about, nothing he does has a real purpose does it. Making a speech telling ordinary people to cough up money to be more environmentally friendly whilst he isn't...its the exact thing you tear apart H&M for.

Telling me to go start another thread is so childish and immature, this thread is only for bullying H&M whilst you seemingly ignore the hypocrisy of the rest of the royals. Which only goes to show your bias.

How pathetic

@Why2why

You’re assuming this, thinking that, hoping and wishing. To what end? Find better use of your time. It’s pathetic.

These people will never stop, they will even send their last dying moments on here having a pop at them

Funny thing to me is that the H&M vibe is more "Clinton" than "Obama" - ie a whiff of people not believing what they say and questioning motives. I wasn't surprised to note that Hilary Clinton signed up for the 40x40 birthday self-promotion but no Obama in sight. So yes, not all people come under scruity - just those peple where their actions which result in endless destruction in their wake, match their "kind" words.

I think H&M drawing so much focus to how the philanthrophy is not all it seems may annoy the very wealthy in US as they don't like so much scruity. Unpleasant characters do draw attention to the US system of Foundations and philanthropy and it's not been good attention. I noticed Obama didn't invite Clinton or H&M to his 60th.

You have absolutely no idea if the Obamas and the Clintons are in constant contact with each other or not. So you cannot know if there were preliminary discussions about who is coming and not, that goes for H&M too.

If you have people you talk to regularly, you will hardly be sending them an invitation to a party when you have already established they cannot come, will you.

Also Hilary Clinton has been chartering planes to make evacuations in Afghanistan. So no too sure where she does not believe in what she says.

so you think the Obamas are in touch with H&M so much they didn't need to invite them because M would be hosting her 40x40

I think you might have missed the past 40 years of why Clintons are not well thought of, whoops. Yes people can do individual good things and earn admiration for that, but it doesn't affect whether you trust or like someone. I don't like Tony Blair at all but I am very pleaed he spoke so passionately and openly about Biden's pathetic attempts to justify recent events in Afghanistan. Doesn't mean I now trust or like Tony Blair though.

Complex stuff - but people that don't "hate" others are able to respect and be grateful for an individual action but accept the person is lacking in many other areas. H&M's vanity that their voices matter is just light relief. I only arrived on these threads to defend others being called racist for noticing what a vain twerp Harry is.

@Marmaladeagain

Funny thing to me is that the H&M vibe is more "Clinton" than "Obama" - ie a whiff of people not believing what they say and questioning motives. I wasn't surprised to note that Hilary Clinton signed up for the 40x40 birthday self-promotion but no Obama in sight. So yes, not all people come under scruity - just those peple where their actions which result in endless destruction in their wake, match their "kind" words.

I think H&M drawing so much focus to how the philanthrophy is not all it seems may annoy the very wealthy in US as they don't like so much scruity. Unpleasant characters do draw attention to the US system of Foundations and philanthropy and it's not been good attention. I noticed Obama didn't invite Clinton or H&M to his 60th.

You wish. So it will take H&M to bring attention to possibly illegalities in the US? They are pretty powerful then, more powerful than the institutions set up to scrutinise these things?

They will be more concerned by H&M and not Russian oligarchs and their donations and involved.

One thing I can assure you, you will never see the Obamas help to destroy a woman who is suspected to be targeted by the British media because of her race.

All this supposition about the Obamas relationship with H&M is based on wishful thinking for them to have a fall out. Did you believe the nonsense about H&M not being invited to Obama’s birthday bash? Meghan and Barack share the same birthday. How absolutely odd to expect them to have a joint birthday bash or for Meghan to forgo celebrating her birthday to instead celebrate Barack’s.

You must know that the hatred of the British media and some sections of the public would have led them to search every nook and cranny for dirt on her. They have even paid people to lie. Yet all they come up with is stupid nonsense rumours and suppositions, rubbish from a brother and sister she hardly knows, and a father who clear have issues. The Palace would have gone from heaven to hell to dig into her background. Yet the most they can do is accuse her of bullying.

While you carry on with your pathetic assumptions and desperate wish for them to be ostracised, your life will be the worse for it. They will then come out with an announcement that shows they are moving onward and upward which will then trigger you wasting your time dissecting every bit, wishing and hoping they fail. They cycle will repeat. Before you know it, a year would have passed and you would have nothing to show for all the mind space you’ve invested in H&M.

Aren’t you ashamed to have people you don’t know control your mind? A more fulfilling life would help you put H&M into perspective.

It really is pathetic and so boring.

I'm sorry you have such a poor view of people in general to think they are so easily led. H&M and their style of PR is attempting to control image, which most people are aware of and don't like.

The fly in your ointment that us "pathetic" types are controlled by the press: at the time of H leaving the RF his popularity was soaring high - despite the press (in your opinion) controlling people's thoughts so much that H&M couldn't tolerate living in the UK anymore (truth being: they wanted to get on with Netflix).

Thing is H&M's actions since they left have changed those perceptions of people in general, not the press. H&M had their very own words shot themselves in the feet.

I'm not sure you see that as according to you it was the press forced H&M to leave and the "pathetic" people like me are controlled by the press.

Could flip it the other way and say you're being controlled by PR from certain indviduals and weak minded for doing so, but wouldn't be terriblly nice thing to say though (although you think it's fine to say about others).

I do genuinely feel sorry for people that believe H&M's agenda is anything other than to make themselves very wealthy and ensure they keep as much for themselves as possible. I don't think people that don't realise that are "pathetic" though.

Again the "hate" and "anger" seem to be a one way street and it's from defenders, not the people pointing out the many inaccuracies of the the fairytale romance of H&M.

@Marmaladeagain

I'm sorry you have such a poor view of people in general to think they are so easily led. H&M and their style of PR is attempting to control image, which most people are aware of and don't like.

The fly in your ointment that us "pathetic" types are controlled by the press: at the time of H leaving the RF his popularity was soaring high - despite the press (in your opinion) controlling people's thoughts so much that H&M couldn't tolerate living in the UK anymore (truth being: they wanted to get on with Netflix).

Thing is H&M's actions since they left have changed those perceptions of people in general, not the press. H&M had their very own words shot themselves in the feet.

I'm not sure you see that as according to you it was the press forced H&M to leave and the "pathetic" people like me are controlled by the press.

Could flip it the other way and say you're being controlled by PR from certain indviduals and weak minded for doing so, but wouldn't be terriblly nice thing to say though (although you think it's fine to say about others).

I do genuinely feel sorry for people that believe H&M's agenda is anything other than to make themselves very wealthy and ensure they keep as much for themselves as possible. I don't think people that don't realise that are "pathetic" though.

Again the "hate" and "anger" seem to be a one way street and it's from defenders, not the people pointing out the many inaccuracies of the the fairytale romance of H&M.

Erm, yep people are easily led. Do you think you woke up one morning deciding to hate H&M? To feel more aggrieved by them than others who do exactly the same things you accuse them of doing? To feel more aggrieved by them than Prince Andrew for example?

Look at the number of stories based by n Royal Experts assuming all sorts of nonsense that’s then regurgitated by the likes of you.

All the list of why you dislike them to the point of obsession is based on nonsense such as seeing through their agenda and other weird things like that. Or based on what you think they think or might do.

You have never met these people and have only experienced through the biased British media lens and you want me to think that your intense dislike is based on your personal experience dealing with them?

Most reasonable people would observe with interest what’s going on. Acknowledge the media bias, contradictions, lies and the racial undertone in some sections, and conclude that these two people are like any human being who would have made mistakes in whatever is going on but also that they have been victims of wrongs. Then carry on with curiosity and hope the family are able to repair their relationships in the future.

What is unhealthy and bizarre is deciding you know through the media lenses that you know these people and it is now your mission in life to spend your time spreading and encouraging hatred of them. Worse being able to do so with such blatant hypocrisy. It isn’t normal healthy behaviour by any stretch.

As for hate and anger, I would never waste my time hating and being angry with people I don’t know. The Royal Family is living high on the hog. I have to work for a living. I have better things to do than actively love or hate them. Likewise I don’t know you or any other poster. Why good is it to be to actively love or hate you or send live or hate your way or spread it? Will it help my life in anyway? No?

Grow up and see the situation for what it is.