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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 12:44

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

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HmmmmmmInteresting · 09/06/2021 15:06

@antsy

And earlier press stories said that the Queen felt she had no choice but to agree as she was worried about widening the rift. I suspect that is the truth. But she is behaving disgracefully now.
Agreed
PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 15:06

@FlorenceWintle

I think Harry & Meghan are on a mission to correct every false story written about them to a) get it to stop and b) show the media up for the liars they can so often be.

Good for them, someone needs to take the press in this country on, they’re out of control.

Agree - I think it's a warning to the media that they won't stand for it anymore. They know the RF will just keep tight lipped fuelling the flames of wild guesses and assumptions of mumsnetter's and other social Media. they also understand by now that court papers are in the public domain so unlikely to sue if they don't feel they have a case. I'm sure they have something to prove they asked even if means calls to his GM are recorded and if she didn't agree we will find out through the same Avenue. Maybe the "source" is not aware of the full conversation. But HM could easily put a stop to all the gossip if she wanted to - her new born granddaughter why would you let them put out a statement like that.
RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 15:07

@GorgeousNightingale

Interesting that Wills and Kate had to rub salt in the wound by using Lili in their tweet. Really uncalled for and very nasty move on their part. Pathetic.
WTF?!Confused

“Lili” is what H&M called her on their own website and their official press release also clarified that she would be known as “Lili”. What on Earth have the Cambridge’s supposedly done there that is even unfortunate, nevermind nasty? Hmm

baggies · 09/06/2021 15:08

@1forAll74

They should have named the new baby daughter SUE, It would have been very appropriate. They would probably sue their window cleaners, if they so much as looked through one.
GrinGrinGrin
Serenster · 09/06/2021 15:09

@GorgeousNightingale

Interesting that Wills and Kate had to rub salt in the wound by using Lili in their tweet. Really uncalled for and very nasty move on their part. Pathetic.
From Meghan and Harry’s own press release:

“Lili was born on Friday, June 4 at 11.40am in the trusted care of the doctors and staff at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital in Santa Barbara, California”

Sorry, are they being nasty calling their own daughter Lili here too, then? They told us in their statement that she will be referred to as Lili.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 15:09

And earlier press stories said that the Queen felt she had no choice but to agree as she was worried about widening the rift. I suspect that is the truth. But she is behaving disgracefully now.^*
Agreed*^

So which is it then ?
She did agree or she didn't agree. The Media "source"'can't have it both ways.

buffyp · 09/06/2021 15:11

@SoupDragon

How would he prove he'd consulted her? The Queen is never going to go on record one way or another.

So how could the BBC prove that he didn't?

It’s not for them to prove that he didn’t. Harry has to prove it’s untrue
buffyp · 09/06/2021 15:12

@Port1aCastis

Good for him, I hope he sues the arse off Piers Morgan too for foul on air bitching about his pregnant (at the time) wife, there's only so much abuse a person will take before the lawyers are called in
Fortunately law courts look at facts not over emotional hysteria
UrbanRambler · 09/06/2021 15:14

@SpindleWhorl

BBC now - maintaining that Palace source says the Queen 'had never been asked' about using name.
It wouldn't surprise me if they had not asked, they are so wrapped up in themselves they probably thought the Queen would be delighted, and had no clue how the use of such a personal nickname might come across. I wish they would fade into obscurity, but they seem desperate to remain in the public eye, one way or another.
Bjarnum · 09/06/2021 15:17

Perhaps he asked about Elizabeth not Lilybet

ChirpingOnMyRoof · 09/06/2021 15:22

I really like the name Lilibet Diana. But it is a rather odd choice for them. They seem to cause controversy wherever they go. Can't be a nice way to live your life. Aren't they passing on lots of 'genetic' pain to their kids by being so angry and defensive all the time?

MrKlaw · 09/06/2021 15:26

I did wonder about that. Was surprised to hear it on the news this morning. While technically all they reported was 'wasn't consulted' - it definitely leaves space to infer it in a negative way like she wasn't happy with it.

And its purely speculation if from 'a palace source'.

BillyTodd · 09/06/2021 15:29

I must admit as somebody who has repeatedly been astonished at the vitriol and nastiness from many mumsnetters towards H&M ... I'm losing patience with them. To call their baby after his mum - fine, fair enough. To call their baby an intimate family name only really used by the queen behind closed doors, and to apparently have not had the full agreement of the queen and palace for that, seems disrespectful. To tie the child's name in with the family that they are trying to distance themselves from is bizarre. They're either trying to make amends with the name (but if so then what were they thinking in not getting full enthusiastic consent from queenie?) or doing a(nother) big fuck you.

BillyTodd · 09/06/2021 15:31

It wouldn't surprise me if they had not asked, they are so wrapped up in themselves they probably thought the Queen would be delighted, and had no clue how the use of such a personal nickname might come across

I could believe that of Meghan who is new to all this, but not of Harry who has grown up with his family, lived as a Royal for many years and surely had a very good idea of exactly how his own granny would react.

Wanttocry · 09/06/2021 15:33

@TheFairyCaravan

While her actual living grandmother, who lives nearby and sees her all the time, didn't get a look in in the naming process. Poor Doria.

Funny how no one said “poor Carole” when Princess Charlotte had Elizabeth and Diana in her name too, wasn’t it?

I don’t agree with all this “poor Doria” stuff, mainly because I don’t believe the people saying it care one bit about whether Doria minds. They just want to stick the boot in. But, Carole Middleton’s middle name is Elizabeth. And Pippa’s middle name is Charlotte. So there wouldn’t have been any “poor Carole” nonsense.
Staffy1 · 09/06/2021 15:35

My first reaction is FFS but actually these stuck up courtiers are really nasty pieces of work that think they are something special and seem to cause a lot of problems.

JinglingHellsBells · 09/06/2021 15:37

And earlier press stories said that the Queen felt she had no choice but to agree as she was worried about widening the rift. I suspect that is the truth. But she is behaving disgracefully now.

@ansty and @HmmmmmmInteresting

So you now say the Queen is lying?

Or that she is so unintelligent not to realise how two mixed messages look?

I don't think so. The Queen has never ever behaved 'disgracefully'.

But I do think the redtops make up a load of tripe.

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 15:37

@Staffy1

My first reaction is FFS but actually these stuck up courtiers are really nasty pieces of work that think they are something special and seem to cause a lot of problems.
Still not a reason for Harry to threaten to sue the BBC.

He doesn’t seem to have the first clue about how anything works. Meghan is a bright woman. I wonder how she copes with all his notions and reactions.

Comeinoutoftherain · 09/06/2021 15:38

I think the name is a really bad idea, and I'm not a fan of H&M...

But on this occasion I wish Palace Sources had the sense to keep quiet.

It makes the Queen look petty. She has every right to feel upset, but she is of the "never complain and never explain" contingent.

The whole thing would have died down much faster if they had just let it go.

Now H&M can carry on complaining, suing and getting headlines.

Just bloody ignore H&M and let them go and get on with the new baby.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 09/06/2021 15:38

No boot getting stuck in here - there are plenty of other things I can comment on for that.

But personally I do think it is a shame that Doria or a nod to Doria wasn’t in the name.

That’s just me though. My opinion.

Triffid1 · 09/06/2021 15:39

It is such a ridiculous situation that the newspapers are covering, in extensive detail, whether a couple asked permission to name their child. FFS.

The media have a LOT to answer for ito any rifts in the royal family.

BillyTodd · 09/06/2021 15:40

In what way is the Queen alleged to be behaving disgracefully?

SHE hasn't actually said anything. Palace officials have, and that's very different.

Queenie tends to stay very quiet and rise above things. SHe's famous for doing so. I'll eat my hat if she actually directly comes out with "But Harry that's MY name!"

C8H10N4O2 · 09/06/2021 15:41

That what you take from all this? That senior career courtiers are compulsive liars

They are spin doctors on behalf the the various factions in the family. I don't for one moment believe the Queen briefed this. She has spent her entire life studiously not commenting on exactly this type of issue.

Charles however does have form for extensive briefing via "palace sources" and it seems his sons both learned from him and it seems common place amongst the younger generation of royals. None of them are strangers to taking legal action against the press either.

Charles also wrote and spoke quite a lot about his awful childhood and how his DGM practically raised him due to the absence of his parents and his miserable times at the school his parents chose. Harry never criticised the Queen he talked about the issues in families will functional issues, he was referring to his own experiences and how they flow down the generations.

Diana, Fergie and latterly Meghan have all talked about the problems of being accepted by and navigating "the firm" of courtiers/business managers around the royal family.

Lilibet is a real name in its own right as well as the Queen's nickname. It wasn't a special pet name for Philip it was as much her informal name as Kate is for the DoC. Friends and family would use it in the same way as any other variation on a name. Its no more odd than calling a child Lizzie or Kate or any other nickname variation. Not my cup of tea but I don't find it remotely odd.

eddiemairswife · 09/06/2021 15:41

Harry needs to develop a hobby that is worthwhile and time-consuming and exhausting. He then won't have the energy to brood about imagined slights from the country of his birth.

LublinToDublin · 09/06/2021 15:43

I wonder if Harry discussed the name Lili with his Grandmother, explaining that it derives from Lilibet in her honour. He thinks he's been clear that the full name would be Lilibet but HMQ thinks the baby will simply be called Lili. HMQ gives her approval.....
We will never know. Perhaps another case of things being viewed as a person 'truth' which could vary from someone else's person 'truth"