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Harry to sue BBC

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 12:44

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

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Derbee · 10/06/2021 01:04

@museumum

I actually on this one feel that the palace / queen / bbc are all being really nasty.

Can you imagine if you named your child after their grandparent and instead of 'congratulations how lovely' everybody instead weighed in with 'but did you ask her permission?' 'and if you did, did she feel she had to say yes?' it's mean and petty. it's an honour to have a child named after you, any child, you don't get to 'give permission'.

It’s the Queen’s nickname, NOT named after her. That would be Elizabeth.
altamory · 10/06/2021 01:09

@Blossomtoes That is not true. The Royal Family brief the press through their courtiers and they did in all those cases.
I am not defending Earl Spencer or anyone else for that matter, but the Royal Family do ensure they get their side of the story across in the press.

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 10/06/2021 01:15

@BreakingtheIce

I can’t see a point ever being reached where the two of them are content. Just quiet and content and getting on with things without courting attention and controversy. That does not suggest they are actually happy with each other. Not really. It’s like they are throwing bombs all the time in order to cause chaos for their own amusement.
Or maybe they are fed up of people printing bullshit about them and they've decided to put a stop to it.

They won their Daily Mail case so I don't blame them for trying to shut all the rest of this rubbish down.

Blossomtoes · 10/06/2021 01:21

Or maybe they are fed up of people printing bullshit about them and they've decided to put a stop to it.

The quickest way to put a stop to it would be to pipe down and live the independent lives they claim to want. They’re like Whack a Mole - the minute the Royal family shuts one episode down, they pop up with the next. They must be sick to death of them.

me4real · 10/06/2021 01:27

I'm very anti- H&M but they are not stupid when it comes to legal stuff, they know what to go after.

I read that they 'just' told the BBC not to say it again.

Harry would win if it really were to go to court as the 'source' would not reveal themselves and the Queen wouldn't testify.

Sometimes this stuff from 'royal sources' does just end up being inaccurate stuff from people who work there or something or just gossip. Like when it was claimed they were going to be stripped of more of their titles.

Petsgalore · 10/06/2021 01:35

@BreakingtheIce

I can’t see a point ever being reached where the two of them are content. Just quiet and content and getting on with things without courting attention and controversy. That does not suggest they are actually happy with each other. Not really. It’s like they are throwing bombs all the time in order to cause chaos for their own amusement.
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RickiTarr · 10/06/2021 01:36

I'm very anti- H&M but they are not stupid when it comes to legal stuff, they know what to go after.

Not on this occasion.

me4real · 10/06/2021 01:46

@RickiTarr I think they've warned the BBC off repeating the claim, rather than outright suing them. www.thesun.co.uk/news/15213682/prince-harry-legal-action-bbc-queen-lilibet/

RonaldMcDonald · 10/06/2021 01:54

@Blossomtoes

Or maybe they are fed up of people printing bullshit about them and they've decided to put a stop to it.

The quickest way to put a stop to it would be to pipe down and live the independent lives they claim to want. They’re like Whack a Mole - the minute the Royal family shuts one episode down, they pop up with the next. They must be sick to death of them.

They generate millions, simply in running fake stories about the Sussexes. People seem to want the meaner or more outlandish the better Brass bath and yoga studio etc in Frogmore - all nonsense Nothing will stop the British media because they believe they own Prince Harry and how dare he leave without them running him out of town Completely abusive relationship and most dangerous when out from under it
RickiTarr · 10/06/2021 02:07

[quote me4real]@RickiTarr I think they've warned the BBC off repeating the claim, rather than outright suing them. www.thesun.co.uk/news/15213682/prince-harry-legal-action-bbc-queen-lilibet/[/quote]
They don’t have a case anyway, and the BBC is standing by the claim.

amusedtodeath1 · 10/06/2021 02:14

No one was really that bothered when they decided that RF life wasn't for them. I think most people would agree that it's not a life they would choose for themselves either.

What caused controversy was how they did it and what they've done since. The passive aggressive statements and the interviews slating everyone from the RF to the Firm to the public, for everything that is wrong in their lives.

The final straw for me was continuing with all the interviews when Philip was dying and while people are still grieving.

Now this, I don't know what HMTQ thinks about the name but I doubt that the BBC have made it up. They clearly think their source is reliable.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 10/06/2021 02:43

The Press might have once thought they owned Hal.

I think if they had the chance now they’d pop him in the 50%off bin in Poundies and run away.

Bouledeneige · 10/06/2021 03:10

Harry is burning all his bridges with the UK and his family. He can never come back.

StartupRepair · 10/06/2021 03:40

I wish they had chosen a less loaded name so that they could enjoy their family in peace. This reaction to the appropriation of the queen's personal nickname is entirely predictable. Could have been so easily avoided.
If they love and respect HM so much they would not be taking every opportunity to trash what she has spent her whole life working for.

DeeKavCoffee · 10/06/2021 04:01

good for him. i was waiting for the nice 'lillibet' story to be twisted into something sinistar megan has apparently done

Comeinoutoftherain · 10/06/2021 05:18

Sigh - we had almost a full week of silence about H&M, and it was quite a refreshing change.

The name was chosen to have maximum impact and to raise the Sussexes profiles again. If no one in there H&M camp had any idea that this would be major click bait, then they are all completely thick.

It's a really short sighted move. That poor child is saddled with the name for life, and even if the Queen lives to 105, by the time she is 10, the link will be gone.

They could have called her Lili and explained (as they did in the statement) that it was a nod to Lilibet. It would still have been click bait, but would not have caused quite the same fervour. Plus Lili wouldn't be saddled with such a loaded name.

If there is an actual PR strategy from the Sussex camp, then it's that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Their statements are always very carefully worded, worthy of a skilled politician, and always obscure the actual point - here it is whether the Queen expressly gave her permission.

BUT - I'm sick to the back teeth of the press briefings from all sides. The sources, and friends, who keep running to the press. I can absolutely see H&M's point about essentially being stabbed in the back by rival factions of the palaces.

Not that H&M have learned from that, or risen above it. They attack more directly some of the time, and then go back to sources and friends when it suits them.

No doubt they'll deny being involved in the updated Finding Freedom, despite Omid Scobie being their unofficial spokesperson.

The RF sources are only inflaming the H&M saga and dragging it out for much longer than necessary.

H&M are also targeting the wrong person. The Queen is not going to live forever, and H&M need a long term money making strategy which will go on far beyond the Queen's life and reign.

They need to be repairing the damage with Charles and William if they want to continue the association with the Royal Family once Charles is king.

I agree with previous posters about the mother's families being left out of the naming, for both the Cambridge and Sussex children.

Yes, yes, Carole's middle name is Elizabeth, and Pippa's middle name is Charlotte, but it's not the same as a direct link like Elizabeth Diana. Catherine's dad is Michael, and her brother is James, but neither of those names feature for either of her sons, but Charles makes it into the mix.

So Carole and Pippa might not have been accepted as they aren't traditional royal names, but both James and Michael could easily have been inserted.

H&M aren't bound by the same constraints when naming their kids, but chose to reference the RF anyway, and they also don't include Doria at all (Lili as a reference to Doria calling M "flower" as a child is cobbled together nonsense).

Diverseopinions · 10/06/2021 05:40

I think television series, like 'The Crown'; any TV satire, like 'Spitting Image'; The famous Sex Pistols song; these are endeavours happening in the public domain. I think the Royal Family are brought up and taught that there is a right to free speech in Britain. There will always be satirists and commentators at work. It's healthy for the public to scrutinize those with civic authority. Rule is by consent, because we live in a modern democracy.

I see this thread and other similar ones as having a central core and thrust. I think people are trying to work out what Harry and Meghan are doing. This naming business seems to be 'off'; not quite a traditional approach, or under the circumstances, a logical one. The feeling - for some people a gut feeling - precedes the thought.

Something seems a bit worrying. Like the Oprah interview, and privacy and publicity, we have now another of those big Sussex inconsistencies. The Royal institution and how it protects it's members is critisized publically by H and M. They put across that they want to lead their own lives. Fair enough, most people think. They then use an informal pet name as a method of honouring an important relative and announce that this has been their intention . It's not how things are done traditionally. It's not the worse thing in the world, most will think - but it's dipping into royal associations yet again, when they say they want to be their own people. But, as others have said: this seems to be more like doing the half in and half out style of being a royal which they said was what they wanted. This informality is part of the 'progressive new role' within the Royal Family which they spoke of when they left for Canada. The naming of the new baby seems about giving a modern and informal twist to all things royal. They are being creative with the royal association they have and using it in a way of their own choosing. So that's one conclusion all the discussion on this thread has led to.

In their own way, the makers of 'The Crown' are trying to represent a truth and a public record. The producers are governed by public bodies which decide if a production is decent and acceptable for broadcast. That's how they are monitored and regulated. In my thinking, I don't just lump all potential 'negatives' for the Royal Family together and say one can't be critisized without all the others being critisized at the same time. I'm conscious of the aims and intentions of each of those, what you could call, detractors from the dignity of the monarchy.

I'm trying to work out what H and M are doing and I think I have done so now. I think they are doing their own modern and progressive new take on being part of the monarchy. This involves not taking any nonsense from the press.

Other posters are trying to prove that people who write on MN must have some underhand and deplorable reason for critisizing H and M because other agents like the producers of The Crown or Prince Andrew are not being critisized at the same time, so critisizing H and M must therefore be unfair. This thread is not really about criticism, it's about analysis of reasons and effects.

TheoMeo · 10/06/2021 05:56

In their own way, the makers of 'The Crown' are trying to represent a truth and a public record.
Imv they are making alot of money by serialising a good story. It's money that drives Netflix not the good of the population.
And, imv, it's not really fair to televise a version of people's lives when they are still alive.

Diverseopinions · 10/06/2021 05:59

It's inconsistent, in a way, that the Queen is to be honoured by her informal and private name being chosen for a new baby, rather than a full official name, and yet Meghan and Harry, one if whom has been a royal for about three years only, use very formal and old-fashioned titles on many, many occasions when it is not logical or strictly fitting to do so. Why is a book for children presented with the author styled as a duchess and named this way on the front cover? Why not just choose a surname, like Mountbatten- Windsor or Wales and stick to it for non-family projects? Like Princes Harry and William did when in the armed forces and wanting to do an ordinary role and picking the surname Wales? Don't you try to be informal when relating to children? Why is Harry styled as the Duke of Sussex for his podcasts? They don't have dukes in America where he is doing his work.

It seems they big up their own formality and status but everyone else they talk about in the Royal Family has to be presented in the down-to-earth familiar way . All their family squabbles have to be aired with details of who upset who; relatives are presented as having clay feet and not being very good in their parenting. And yet, soft lenses and artistic styling and eulogies have to accompany all the wonderful planet-saving works of the progressive wing of the House of Windsor.

Diverseopinions · 10/06/2021 06:04

You can wonder what H and M are doing and still not be very keen on a TV series. You don't have to mention every detractor in the same breath. I'm not thinking The Crown is a great series. I've never seen it. But why is Harry doing work for Netflix then? Is he being driven by profit too? Yet another inconsistency in the way in which Harry goes about making his choices.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 10/06/2021 06:34

I feel celebrities and others in the public eye, like royals, would be better off giving their children ‘blank slate’ names rather than names that suggest they are accessories to their parents’ aspirations and lifestyle choices.

Lilibet Diana in the circumstances in which it was chosen does seem to imply :

……………........TM
Lilibet Diana

Underlying the choice, there is the assumption that this baby is going to grow up to share the parental dream and worldview. In a way, it feels limiting.

It makes me wonder if Lilibet will do a Zowie Bowie and decide to be Jane when she’s older.

Billandben444 · 10/06/2021 06:53

I gather that when Charles is King, the children will become Prince and Princess. 'Princess Lilibet' sounds incredibly twee and apt for a 4-yr old in a very pink bedroom filled with unicorns and glitter.

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Sylvan92 · 10/06/2021 07:06

@Billandben444

I gather that when Charles is King, the children will become Prince and Princess. 'Princess Lilibet' sounds incredibly twee and apt for a 4-yr old in a very pink bedroom filled with unicorns and glitter.
Oh gosh. You’re absolutely right.
GlencoraP · 10/06/2021 07:08

Just seen the pictures of the Queen in Prince Philip’s rose garden. She looks so small and frail and very hunched, she has aged so much in the last year but even in the last couple of months.

What a mess, yet again Harry has dropped Meghan in it, what a ghastly man he is. He will let her take the flack but actually he is the one who will have known how badly this would go down within the family . He just wanted to go one better than all of his cousins who have used Elizabeth in their children’s names to honour their grandmother.

The name Lilibet is just about the only thing that HMQ has that is not public property, I am not talking about possessions but about her persona. Very few people were given the privilege of using it and although everyone knew about the name it was never publicly used. Now just as she loses her husband it’s being bandied around everywhere and she is being gaslighted by her clearly pretty unstable grandson.