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Harry to sue BBC

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 12:44

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 22:53

I dont think the fact the Queen was called Lilibet by close family members since she was a very very young child was ever a secret. But it was always acknowledged that it was a very personal and private name. Nobody has used it in over 90 years as part of a royal childs name. But along come those two. And registering it as a brand. Absolutely dreadful.

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Roussette · 09/06/2021 22:55

Do you think pinktonic the MSM would have let them step away just like that?
No.
They haven't disparaged and insulted the Queen.

dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:55

If you have a private beef with family and it isn’t resolved to your satisfaction you go public to get your own way?

Well going public would be pointless for me as who would give a shit. However it does appear to be the Royal way....

Roussette · 09/06/2021 22:56

So you think it's OK for anyone to come along and register Lilibet Diana and use it?
That is a normal practice

dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:57

they have repeatedly disparaged and insulted the queen, the family and the institution

Wowsers!

Blinkingbotheration · 09/06/2021 22:58

M&H have totally lost the plot....though to be fair given the recent literary foray I’m not sure plots are their strong point.....

dorangme · 09/06/2021 23:03

But along come those two. And registering it as a brand. Absolutely dreadful.

Surely we need to get it into perspective. Andrew didn't show any remorse or empathy but Harry registered a brand 😱😱

NotABeliever · 09/06/2021 23:04

@MaloInAnAppleTree

This could be really nasty if it ever got to court (seems unlikely). The BBC seem to be standing firmly by their story which to me implies that HMQ wanted them to run it.

The name is completely fine if she’s happy with it and not fine if she’s not happy - I’ve been neutral because we had no way of knowing which was the case, but it’s starting to look like she’s not.

^^This with bells on
CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 23:04

"the fact that lies were told about her in the media (ie her making Kate cry),"
Well, you're assuming that Meghan's version of events was the correct one there. Her truth, vs Kate's truth, when the actual truth was quite possibly that both of them were in tears, but that Kate's decision to take flowers to smooth things over was interpreted as an admission of fault.

LublinToDublin · 09/06/2021 23:05

Several posters have suggested that the choice of name simply shows Harry loves his Granny indicates that they have a close relationship.
That being the case, surely she was one of the people he would have asked for help from? One of the people who he says ignored him and refused to help?

I can't square those two pictures of the grandmother/ grandson relationship

littlebillie · 09/06/2021 23:06

I was surprised at the Oprah interview, I think they are awful. I just think the
media would give them what they want and crave

bluebell34567 · 09/06/2021 23:07

@JaniieJones

'But surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry is upset with his dad and brother and the institution of the Monarchy as a whole. But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?'

Why is he upset wifh his dad, brother and institution but not the Queen? Is it because the Americans like her so it's all a bit more lucrative to hang on to her coat tails? Is he really that thick that he doesn't see if he insults and criticises the rf/institution/the Monarchy then he is attacking granny too?

agree.
CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 23:08

And talking of misinterpretations, I don't think Diverse meant that no one "actually" knew about the Lilibet moniker for the Queen. That was referred to way back in biographies in the 1930s, and most notably in the one published in the 1950s by Marion Crawford, the Queen and Princess Margaret's governess (for which she was ostracised and never forgiven for the betrayal).
It can be known about, yet not widely used for possible monetary gain by family members.

dorangme · 09/06/2021 23:10

Well, you're assuming that Meghan's version of events was the correct one there. Her truth, vs Kate's truth, when the actual truth was quite possibly that both of them were in tears,

Of course but until the interview there was only 1 version.

PinkTonic · 09/06/2021 23:12

@Roussette

Do you think pinktonic the MSM would have let them step away just like that? No. They haven't disparaged and insulted the Queen.
Yes they could have stepped away. They’re only still all over the press now because they actively seek publicity. Yes they have disparaged and insulted the Queen but you are of course also entitled to your opinion.
justasking111 · 09/06/2021 23:12

I am sick to death of the media saying palace sources, what is a palace source, who are they. It seems to me to be an excuse to invent a story while covering their arse. Oh well if a palace source said it then it must be true. The same goes for Downing Street source, government source and so on. Close friend of celebrity is another bloody excuse for shredding a persons privacy.

ChicChaos · 09/06/2021 23:12

@Cacacoisfarraige

It’s like a bad break up, they keep coming back for more, but they’d be better off moving on, there is no way back together now.
H&M need to stop doing the 'pick me' dance!
dorangme · 09/06/2021 23:13

They’re only still all over the press now because they actively seek publicity.

They are all over the press because they had a baby, regardless of what name they used there would be publicity.

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 23:13

I mean I would struggle to forgive Tampongate!

Why? It was embarrassing for C&C, but hardly something for the kids to hold against them.

It was a private phone call, illegally hacked and taped at a time when D&C’s marriage was effectively over and each were conducting affairs.

If I was William, Harry, Tom or Laura, I’d be angry with the red tops over that episode, not their parents.

BreakingtheIce · 09/06/2021 23:14

@Diverseopinions

Well. It depends whether you see the institution of the monarchy as having gravitas and a certain aura of propriety.

If one sees the Windsors as just a family, then I suppose that the pros and cons hinge on whether Her Majesty herself would be offended.

But she isn't just a private person, she embodies leadership and the stability of the nation state.

But frankly, isn't it like what a friend of mine once mistakenly did: she was a teacher, and stuck a piece of paper on the notice board in school, with a message about dates, only it was the one for staff and signed by the Head using his familiar name, and meant for the staff room, and not one for the pupils to see. This was a big faux pas, letting the kids see his personal name like that. He wanted to retain gravitas in order to execute superbly his job of service to that school community .

If you publicise the pet name of the monarch - and it will definitely be publicised by your giving the reason you've chosen that name for your new baby - then you do rather deflect from the dignity of that office of state. You make something public which is supposed to be private, and which is usually used by the named person to create intimacy and safeness for themselves as part of a little safe haven to return to when their risky and high-stake work is over for the day. There is a little bit of vulnerability about continuing to use a young child's take on your name. It's saying to your loved ones: "With you, I'm just that young innocent girl - myself: just me".

It's not the baby having the name that is do ambiguous in terms of constitutional etiquette, but the fact that the rest of us know a little secret - and not really anyone else but the monarch's private little humour to share.

Part of the authority of monartchy, that which is used for the public good, depends on monarchs conducting themselves in a reserved and proscribed manner, at all times. Let's not forget, that under the constitution, if parliament failed - for some reason to do with lots of ministers resigning, or something - then the monarchy would be asked to lead and make decisions for a time. Shining a light on their personal lives detracts a bit from the institution's formality.

You don't get barristers calling the Judge by his nick name in court. It's all formal to reflect the seriousness of the business they are conducting.

Even many everyday people only invite certain intimates to call them by a special name. Let's not forget, too, that a name you wish to be called by when a young adult, might not remain the private name you want lots of distant cousins to use as you grow older.

If the Queen can stand all this intrigue and drama, then she must be a very strong person. I hope she does have vast reserves of fortitude.

Yes, if William and Catherine wouldn't dream of uttering the Queen's pet name, then they won't want to say it in connection with the new baby. But ironically, re names, we are speaking of somebody who isn't called Kate, but let's herself be referred to that way out of modesty, good humour, and not wanting to make a fuss, when her role is to shine a spotlight on those volunteers who do good works.

Excellent post.
bluebell34567 · 09/06/2021 23:17

@LublinToDublin

Several posters have suggested that the choice of name simply shows Harry loves his Granny indicates that they have a close relationship. That being the case, surely she was one of the people he would have asked for help from? One of the people who he says ignored him and refused to help?

I can't square those two pictures of the grandmother/ grandson relationship

me neither. also, its like them saying the word 'royal' doesnt belong to TQ that they can use it if they wanted to. its the same with taking and using the family pet name. would any other family member or anyone else think of using that pet name for their dc. i dont think so. because it is special to TQ.
bitheby · 09/06/2021 23:17

If I had a deeply personal nickname I don't think I'd want a celebrity couple to use it for their child which would then spark copycats so that I knew that when I was long gone, there would be a generation of children sporting my name. Even if the couple are related and doing it to 'honour'. I think they should have asked.

bluebell34567 · 09/06/2021 23:19

her family pet name

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 23:19

But ironically, re names, we are speaking of somebody who isn't called Kate, but let's herself be referred to that way out of modesty, good humour, and not wanting to make a fuss, when her role is to shine a spotlight on those volunteers who do good works.

I think she IS called Kate privately, and has always been, but adopted “Catherine” (her full legal name, I know) as a royal persona to keep her two selves separate. However, as you say, she is too polite to make a fuss about it.

I wonder if the Queen feels similarly that “Lilibet” is a private persona?

tricky29 · 09/06/2021 23:19

H- ‘Granny, we want to call her Lillibet, if that’s ok with you.’

Q- ‘Congratulations, lovely, looking forward to meeting her.’

But thinking ‘it’s really just a family nickname and a bit awkward given recent events but your baby, your choice, nice sentiment.

Harry - blessing given
Courtier - what else was she going to say?

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