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Harry to sue BBC

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 12:44

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

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CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 22:24

Oh, along with, "Don't talk about yourself."

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 22:24

@sadie9

Harry came up with yet another cunning plan to keep his family out of the limelight Grin
What naming his daughter after her great grandmother🙄?
dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:25

@CallmeHendricks I don't disagree but clearly the RF have form for this sort of the thing which probably explains why Harry also went down that route.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 22:26

Grin I mean I would struggle to forgive Tampongate!- yes your father could never accuse you of embarrassing the family after that!

altamory · 09/06/2021 22:27

Lots of them have given interview including Charles. Diana and Charles both criticised each other in interviews. It wasnt a good idea, but there is form there for doing this.

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 22:27

"When they've tried to deal with it in private and got nowhere, as they've said, they were left with no alternative."

Of course they had an alternative. Their motivation was revenge.
Which is never a good look.

dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:29

yes your father could never accuse you of embarrassing the family after that!

Similarly PC didn't exactly big up his parents parenting style did he.

LivingInThe80s · 09/06/2021 22:29

@CallmeHendricks

"When they've tried to deal with it in private and got nowhere, as they've said, they were left with no alternative."

Of course they had an alternative. Their motivation was revenge.
Which is never a good look.

And what alternative was that? They had no alternative.
Roussette · 09/06/2021 22:30

Exactly. And H&M want to break that cycle. Don't blame them.

longwayoff · 09/06/2021 22:30

Well I'm flattered. My husband used to call me Lil on occasion. Fag Ash Lil to be precise. Hmm.

Diverseopinions · 09/06/2021 22:36

Well. It depends whether you see the institution of the monarchy as having gravitas and a certain aura of propriety.

If one sees the Windsors as just a family, then I suppose that the pros and cons hinge on whether Her Majesty herself would be offended.

But she isn't just a private person, she embodies leadership and the stability of the nation state.

But frankly, isn't it like what a friend of mine once mistakenly did: she was a teacher, and stuck a piece of paper on the notice board in school, with a message about dates, only it was the one for staff and signed by the Head using his familiar name, and meant for the staff room, and not one for the pupils to see. This was a big faux pas, letting the kids see his personal name like that. He wanted to retain gravitas in order to execute superbly his job of service to that school community .

If you publicise the pet name of the monarch - and it will definitely be publicised by your giving the reason you've chosen that name for your new baby - then you do rather deflect from the dignity of that office of state. You make something public which is supposed to be private, and which is usually used by the named person to create intimacy and safeness for themselves as part of a little safe haven to return to when their risky and high-stake work is over for the day. There is a little bit of vulnerability about continuing to use a young child's take on your name. It's saying to your loved ones: "With you, I'm just that young innocent girl - myself: just me".

It's not the baby having the name that is do ambiguous in terms of constitutional etiquette, but the fact that the rest of us know a little secret - and not really anyone else but the monarch's private little humour to share.

Part of the authority of monartchy, that which is used for the public good, depends on monarchs conducting themselves in a reserved and proscribed manner, at all times. Let's not forget, that under the constitution, if parliament failed - for some reason to do with lots of ministers resigning, or something - then the monarchy would be asked to lead and make decisions for a time. Shining a light on their personal lives detracts a bit from the institution's formality.

You don't get barristers calling the Judge by his nick name in court. It's all formal to reflect the seriousness of the business they are conducting.

Even many everyday people only invite certain intimates to call them by a special name. Let's not forget, too, that a name you wish to be called by when a young adult, might not remain the private name you want lots of distant cousins to use as you grow older.

If the Queen can stand all this intrigue and drama, then she must be a very strong person. I hope she does have vast reserves of fortitude.

Yes, if William and Catherine wouldn't dream of uttering the Queen's pet name, then they won't want to say it in connection with the new baby. But ironically, re names, we are speaking of somebody who isn't called Kate, but let's herself be referred to that way out of modesty, good humour, and not wanting to make a fuss, when her role is to shine a spotlight on those volunteers who do good works.

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 22:39

The alternative was to go and live abroad and live their best life. With dignity.
They didn't have to do any interview at all. The bottom line is, few people really cared. None of us needed to know the lurid details. They obviously didn't want to remain in royal public life. Fine. Leave.
But why torch the place on your way out?

PrimulaPrimrose · 09/06/2021 22:39

It's ironic that the Sussexes are so often all about their privacy. Then they go use a private nickname of a very reserved person.
Odd.

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 22:41

Good post, @Diverseopinions.

Diverseopinions · 09/06/2021 22:43

Being the spare is a singular and not very relevant notion. Harry's whole existence isn't about being the spare. It was Princess Diana who first made a comment about this role, but he had a full and expensive education and training, and fulfilled his many interests and aspirations, including to be a soldier. There is a line of succession with several spares. It is not s job description for somebody - lol. Everybody would have known that it would be s very long time before William would need to step up to the top job, and Harry would have forged several careers and roles, in that time.

dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:46

If you publicise the pet name of the monarch - and it will definitely be publicised by your giving the reason you've chosen that name for your new baby - then you do rather deflect from the dignity of that office of state. You make something public which is supposed to be private,

I think many know the name already, I heard it in 'The Crown'. I wonder how the Queen deals with that intrigue & drama, I'd hate the idea of my life being a TV show.

LivingInThe80s · 09/06/2021 22:48

@CallmeHendricks

The alternative was to go and live abroad and live their best life. With dignity. They didn't have to do any interview at all. The bottom line is, few people really cared. None of us needed to know the lurid details. They obviously didn't want to remain in royal public life. Fine. Leave. But why torch the place on your way out?
You clearly haven't heard about all the abuse Meghan has put up with, the fact that lies were told about her in the media (ie her making Kate cry), and they wanted this all set straight, the RF refused to do so.

It's hard to move on if you haven't had the chance to put the truth out. To clear your name. Meghan was entitled to that. And they were entitled to Call Out the racist and abusive press. Running away and letting them get away with it is not fair. Closure is important, clearing your name is important. They had no alternative for that. They needed to do the interview for that. It's all ok for you sitting at home to suggest they should have fleed, kept quiet and suffered in silence and not stood up for themselves or clarified things (that lead to Meghan getting hate and death threads), but they clearly weren't ok with it, and that's ok, they have the right to want the truth to be heard.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/06/2021 22:48

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DoreenWinkings · 09/06/2021 22:48

@CallmeHendricks

"But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?"

But everything he has criticised concerns, by implication, the Queen. So I don't see how you can separate the two things. He said that William would always be his brother and he loved him, but he seems to be showing a fair bit of anger around him. And Charles. So how come the Queen gets off the hook? Because she's top of the tree and widely respected, so he's hoping that association with her will rub off on him? And he can't use Sussex Royal for his global brand, so Lilibet will have to suffice.
"Honoring" his grandmother, my eye. Where was the honour during that Oprah shit-show, when he drove a cart and horses through everything she's ever stood for?

Well yes, for me the Queen is intrinsically linked to the Monarchy. And if I criticise one, I'm basically criticising the other. But I have no relationship with the Queen outside of her being the Queen.

Harry, on the other hand, does. I don't find it hard to imagine that he (and the rest of her family) can quite easily separate the person from the institution.

I've worked for a family business. There were times that I strongly disagreed with some if the business practices. That didn't mean I hated the people involved. Or that I blamed the CEO for everything that was wrong with the business. Or that I didn't value the relationship we had outside of work. There were two separate and distinct relationships.

I suppose I just feel like there's an awful lot of he said/she said about this whole affair. With neither side coming off particularly well. But I still don't think it's impossible that Harry views his personal relationship with his Gran as separate to his dealings with her as 'The Queen' - and I expect he feels similarly about his father and brother, though there's obviously a bit more bitterness there (as you'd expect from the more familiar relationship) whether that's fair or not I couldn't say as I don't know any of them from Adam.

PinkTonic · 09/06/2021 22:49

When they've tried to deal with it in private and got nowhere, as they've said, they were left with no alternative. The RF should have taken them seriously, and it wouldn't have got this far.

What do you mean got nowhere? With what? No alternative to what end? If you have a private beef with family and it isn’t resolved to your satisfaction you go public to get your own way? The alternative was to step away from the public part of the royal life, show discretion and decorum and stay in the family fold as private citizens. It was entirely unnecessary and extraordinarily vulgar to publicise their grievances and they have repeatedly disparaged and insulted the queen, the family and the institution. Their behaviour is unconscionable.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/06/2021 22:50

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dorangme · 09/06/2021 22:50

@Diverseopinions Do you think The Crown impacts on the Queens privacy & dignity as surely it falls under Shining a light on their personal lives detracts a bit from the institution's formality?

Roussette · 09/06/2021 22:52

I knew about the name Lilibet a long long time ago, it's not a hidden secret.

Good post Diverse. I don't actually agree with all of it, but it's worthwhile

randomkey123 · 09/06/2021 22:52

I agree completely @Diverseopinions

There was never any "honour" in the use of this name.

Wanttocry · 09/06/2021 22:52

If you publicise the pet name of the monarch - and it will definitely be publicised by your giving the reason you've chosen that name for your new baby - then you do rather deflect from the dignity of that office of state

I think the nickname was already fairly widely known, they haven’t revealed a secret.