Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

In my opinion, it comes from a credible source. Others will disagree

Tbf people were outraged on behalf of the Queen approximately 1min after the name was announced when credible sources had yet to be mentioned.

They have done and are doing immeasurable damage to the Queen's life-work, trashing on the world stage everything she stands for. How could she not be livid with them?

She appears to have forgiven Andrew so I'm sure this will blow over.

'I find it hard to imagine going your whole life hearing yourself referred to as 'the spare' as if your whole existence is purely as a fall back in case something happens to your older sibling. Not ever being valued as a person in your own right and knowing that at some point in the future your whole purpose for being (as far as the institution and the public is concerned) will become obsolete. It's a bit of a mind fuck isn't it?'

Oh where's my tiny violin. No, I wouldn't call it a 'mind fuck' at all. There's far worse things to endure than being the sibling of an heir.

Clearly he has a lot of pent up bitterness and resentment but these ridiculous games he is playing seem to be fuelling that not resolving it.

"She appears to have forgiven Andrew so I'm sure this will blow over."

Again, we have no idea what her attitude towards Andrew is. He has been removed from all royal duties and functions, and has not appeared in public at all (apart from his father's death). I would say that is a sign that she's pretty resolute in her attitude about his situation and the shame it's also bringing on "the Firm."

Personally I think the whole affair is a lot of fuss about nothing. But surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry is upset with his dad and brother and the institution of the Monarchy as a whole. But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?

So agree with this.

Personally I think the whole affair is a lot of fuss about nothing. But surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry is upset with his dad and brother and the institution of the Monarchy as a whole. But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?

I agree with you. I'm not sure why it's difficult to understand that he dislikes the institution but loves his granny.

@DoreenWinkings

Great comment. I am struggling with the concept of the Royal Family as people I'd have to bow/curtsy to just because they were born into this instution.

I'm fine with them doing lots of charity work, opening events etc and I'm happy with cost, but everything else is so outdated... courtiers, maids, dress rules etc. A lot of this is the past and it needs to move on. I honestly could not curtsy.

@smilesy

I think it could just be that this is the last straw for the palace courtiers in terms of them insisting that they have some sort of special direct contact with the Queen and that they are attempting to separate their dealings with her from the rest of the family.

They do have a right to a direct contact with the Queen, Harry (and his children) are of her flesh and blood. The courtiers are nothing, just people paid to work for Harry's family.

Well.... both Diana and Sarah Ferguson said the courtiers/men in grey suits were pretty toxic at times. Sarah was particularly vitriolic about them in her book/interview with Oprah. Both Diana and Sarah rebelled against them.

'But surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry is upset with his dad and brother and the institution of the Monarchy as a whole. But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?'

Why is he upset wifh his dad, brother and institution but not the Queen? Is it because the Americans like her so it's all a bit more lucrative to hang on to her coat tails? Is he really that thick that he doesn't see if he insults and criticises the rf/institution/the Monarchy then he is attacking granny too?

"But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?"

But everything he has criticised concerns, by implication, the Queen. So I don't see how you can separate the two things. He said that William would always be his brother and he loved him, but he seems to be showing a fair bit of anger around him. And Charles. So how come the Queen gets off the hook? Because she's top of the tree and widely respected, so he's hoping that association with her will rub off on him? And he can't use Sussex Royal for his global brand, so Lilibet will have to suffice.
"Honoring" his grandmother, my eye. Where was the honour during that Oprah shit-show, when he drove a cart and horses through everything she's ever stood for?

Again, we have no idea what her attitude towards Andrew is.

Well we haven't had any credible sources saying otherwise have we?
I just think if we are talking about immeasurable damage to the Queen's life-work, trashing on the world stage everything she stands for Im not sure how Harry is responsible for that in the way Andrew is. But we will have to agree to disagree.

Well.... Janiie isn't it like working for your Mum who is the MD of a family company. You might love her dearly, but at work you get frustrated with how the Company is run.
There is a personal relationship. And there is the institution as far as H and the Queen

"They do have a right to a direct contact with the Queen, Harry (and his children) are of her flesh and blood. The courtiers are nothing, just people paid to work for Harry's family."

Their sole job is to promote and protect the Monarchy. Harry is blitz-bombing it, so they're presumably taking the action they see fit, and I suspect with the Queen's blessing.
The family flesh and blood part should be dealt with IN PRIVATE, not broadcast to the whole world on Oprah.

@Roussette

Well.... both Diana and Sarah Ferguson said the courtiers/men in grey suits were pretty toxic at times. Sarah was particularly vitriolic about them in her book/interview with Oprah. Both Diana and Sarah rebelled against them.

That was 30 years ago. It’s hardly indicative of now. It doesn’t appear to be a problem for Kate or Sophie.

Harry came up with yet another cunning plan to keep his family out of the limelight

@CallmeHendricks

"They do have a right to a direct contact with the Queen, Harry (and his children) are of her flesh and blood. The courtiers are nothing, just people paid to work for Harry's family."

Their sole job is to promote and protect the Monarchy. Harry is blitz-bombing it, so they're presumably taking the action they see fit, and I suspect with the Queen's blessing.
The family flesh and blood part should be dealt with IN PRIVATE, not broadcast to the whole world on Oprah.

When they've tried to deal with it in private and got nowhere, as they've said, they were left with no alternative. The RF should have taken them seriously, and it wouldn't have got this far.

It might well be 30 years ago but I can't see any change within the RF, can you? I bet time has stood still.

We don't know do we? We know very little until divorce happens, or the equivalent of leaving the institution like H&M.

Then we start to hear more

Yeah, because Kate and Sophie are the same as an African American woman.

Exactly. And Kate & Sophie are still married to members of the RF.

The family flesh and blood part should be dealt with IN PRIVATE, not broadcast to the whole world on Oprah.

Is it the public broadcasting or the host choice that's the issue? Would Martin Bashir or Jonathan Dimbleby or Emily Maitlis have been better options?

The rumour is that William was racist. Charles had an affair when with Diana. So they are two reasons for Harry to be angry with his brother and father.

I'm sure there were plenty of other ways Harry could have honoured his grandmother, rather than creating this latest drama. He's on record as saying they liked the name Lili; why not leave it at that? Anyone with half an eye could see that there would be Opinions Expressed in the media.
You might argue that he doesn't care about that, but I think it's clear that actually he cares very much. And I don't think it's doing him any good - I've said up-thread that he's likely to be giving off angry vibes right now, when he could/should be revelling in the happiness of having a new baby daughter.

@LivingInThe80s

Yeah, because Kate and Sophie are the same as an African American woman.

They all married in to the Royal family. Sarah Ferguson and Diana aren’t the same as an American mixed race woman either.

The rumour is that William was racist. Charles had an affair when with Diana. So they are two reasons for Harry to be angry with his brother and father.

I mean I would struggle to forgive Tampongate!

@dorangme

The family flesh and blood part should be dealt with IN PRIVATE, not broadcast to the whole world on Oprah.

Is it the public broadcasting or the host choice that's the issue? Would Martin Bashir or Jonathan Dimbleby or Emily Maitlis have been better options?

The broadcasting, of course. The other three interviews were also shit-shows and should never have been undertaken. As Prince Philip remarked, "no good will come of it."