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Harry to sue BBC

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 12:44

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

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englaland · 09/06/2021 21:31

@Dongdingdong

Carole is a derivative of Charles, as is Charlotte.

Carole sounds nothing like the other two, but fair enough.

You know name and their derivatives come from different languages and evolve over years, don't you?
foxyroxyyy · 09/06/2021 21:32

I named my baby (middle name) after a recently passed grandparent. It didn't occur to me to ask consent. If people are pissed no ones told me yet!

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 21:39

And no one would be (or has been ) pissed when others of the Queen's grandchildren have used Elizabeth. Nor Philip.
It's use of the highly personal and private "Lilibet" that is the issue here. And also the uncomfortable suspicion many are feeling that there is an agenda behind its use. That feels worse, because there is an innocent baby behind all this. Her arrival in the world should be a happy, harmonious and bonding time, but this fuss about her name is detracting from that.

Mysterian · 09/06/2021 21:39

But the Queen is still pre-deceased.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 21:41

I was going to say my niece is named after me, another niece named after my mother and another named after my aunt. (My nieces grandparents) None of us were asked we were informed as it is an honour and we were all flattered and honoured. One of my nieces is often called by the nick-name my mother called my aunt from when they were children til
Now in their late 70's
It really is not a big deal and I think while the Queen may not have expected it - I am sure they discussed with her before they announced the name. I would think she would be flattered like
Most grandmothers after all she will
Not take the name with her . Maybe Palace officials are more
Upset than she is and perhaps they were not aware it was going to be used until Now or perhaps they knew and objected but could not really do anything.

mog27 · 09/06/2021 21:42

I think it's pretty obvious that Harry has a score to settle with the BBC after the whole Diana interview. It's a shame because he'll never move on when he's still holding onto all this anger. I do wonder what his therapist is getting paid for because if anything his mental health is declining not improving.

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 21:47

"It really is not a big deal and I think while the Queen may not have expected it - I am sure they discussed with her before they announced the name. I would think she would be flattered like Most grandmothers"

Sorry, but that is complete supposition. You have no IDEA whether she would be flattered or not. None of us has.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 21:49

feeling that there is an agenda behind its use. That feels worse, because there is an innocent baby behind all this. Her arrival in the world should be a happy, harmonious and bonding time, but this fuss about her name is detracting from that.

But it's the media making the fuss and whipping up a storm and giving a slightly different take depending on which news outlet. M&H named their baby and announced it -on their website.
Nothing more. They only responded a few lines to a statement from the BBC. Did you want them to leave it as what the BBC said ?- would you then believe the BBC or think there are two sides to this even though M&H have not commented. - I doubt it! They can't win so they have to do what they think is best and deal With the consequences if any.

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Viviennemary · 09/06/2021 21:49

I agree its the use of the private and very personal Lilibet that is so unacceptable. I can't see them backpeddling even if the Queen does disapprove. If some royal baby or any baby was being named after the Queen nobody would think Lilabet.

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smilesy · 09/06/2021 21:50

I think it could just be that this is the last straw for the palace courtiers in terms of them insisting that they have some sort of special direct contact with the Queen and that they are attempting to separate their dealings with her from the rest of the family.

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 21:51

@dorangme

They’re both right, aren’t they? Full name and diminutive? Nothing wrong with sending congratulations messages using either.

Hence why I questioned why a congratulatory message referring to her as Lili (which is what she will be known as) somehow signified a slight?

Oh. You’d bolded the bit about Charles using “Lilibet” and then seemed to question it.

The format made it look like you were questioning Charles’ choice.

As I say, they’re both right.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 09/06/2021 21:52

You are all a bunch of gits for the waffle iron/birds eye waffle references.

I can’t get rid of the waffly versatile advert song now. 👂🏼 🪱 🎧 🎶🤬🤯

dorangme · 09/06/2021 21:53

Sorry, but that is complete supposition. You have no IDEA whether she would be flattered or not. None of us has.

I agree but so many are quick believe the Queen is pissed.

CauliflowerCheese30 · 09/06/2021 21:54

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

You are all a bunch of gits for the waffle iron/birds eye waffle references.

I can’t get rid of the waffly versatile advert song now. 👂🏼 🪱 🎧 🎶🤬🤯

My job here is done Grin
PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 21:54

@CallmeHendricks
Not sure if you mis-read the section you pasted but I said "I think". Which is different to claiming I know what the Queen thinks - that would be ludicrous as you know None of us on this thread can know what any of the royal
Family think - can we? Smile-

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 21:56

I think it’s time the name “Queenie” was revived as a nickname for everyone who shares the current Queen’s name. That should tip everything over into a perfect morass of confusion very nicely. ☺️ 🥃

Feedingthebirds1 · 09/06/2021 21:56

But it's the media making the fuss and whipping up a storm and giving a slightly different take depending on which news outlet.

That was always going to happen as soon as the baby's name was announced. Lots of people (me included) immediately wondered what the Queen thought, before the press even had chance to put their oar in.

dorangme · 09/06/2021 21:58

Oh. You’d bolded the bit about Charles using “Lilibet” and then seemed to question it.

The format made it look like you were questioning Charles’ choice.

Except I copied the entire post.... which said

"Actually, re: William and Kate's good wishes message for "Lili," I too wonder if it might have been deliberate (not being willing to publicly acknowledge the full name).
But if it was, then I don't blame them.
Although, I note that Charles used Lilibet in his message."

And made the point she was called Lili. I'm not sure why that format was confusing 😆

EdithWeston · 09/06/2021 21:58

I agree but so many are quick believe the Queen is pissed

Those Dubonnets are really strong

RickiTarr · 09/06/2021 21:59

Just the fact that the Charles bit was the bolded bit @dorangme, that was all.

DoreenWinkings · 09/06/2021 21:59

@JaniieJones

'To take that name, particularly given the current family dynamic and use it as your child's given name is very provocative. They must know this. Then to attempt to copyright the name is just beyond.'

It does seem provocative. If we hadn't had the Oprah crap it wouldn't have been such an intrusive thing to have done.

They act like the Queen and the Monarchy are 2 separate things. So criticise one yet sycophantically hang on to the tails of the other all for the benefit of their US audience. Even after their Oprah reveal they went to great pains to then announce ooo no it wasn’t the Queen who said that, we adore her she has done nothing wrong .

To be fair to Harry though, in his case The Queen and The Monarchy are two different things. The Queen is his granny. The Monarchy is the institution.

Personally I think the whole affair is a lot of fuss about nothing. But surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry is upset with his dad and brother and the institution of the Monarchy as a whole. But loves his Gran (as his gran, rather than as the queen) and is trying to make it clear that she isn't the issue when it comes to his disillusionment with the RF?

I do think the whole concept of the RF is a fucked up thing. I find it hard to imagine going your whole life hearing yourself referred to as 'the spare' as if your whole existence is purely as a fall back in case something happens to your older sibling. Not ever being valued as a person in your own right and knowing that at some point in the future your whole purpose for being (as far as the institution and the public is concerned) will become obsolete. It's a bit of a mind fuck isn't it?

CallmeHendricks · 09/06/2021 21:59

"I agree but so many are quick believe the Queen is pissed."

In my opinion, it comes from a credible source. Others will disagree. But I just do not buy the Sussexes claims that they are on close and good terms with the Queen at this time. Just not getting it. They have done and are doing immeasurable damage to the Queen's life-work, trashing on the world stage everything she stands for. How could she not be livid with them?
She's a Christian woman, and I have no doubt that in time she will forgive and move on. But right now? Nope.

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 09/06/2021 22:00

@CallmeHendricks

No, it's more than that. The BBC have been skating on thin ice recently, so aren't going to be taking any risks at the moment. If they've got this "scoop," they're going to be pretty sure of their sources.
Then, if that’s true, why didn’t the Palace issue a formal statement? If they’re playing games then Harry and Meghan might as well too. All power to them.
PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/06/2021 22:00

Precisely and then a thread and Twitter comments are started and another and that's where the storm is - not
From H&M

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/06/2021 22:01

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